Where “soft Islam” is on the march - Page 2

Big K · 01-14-2008, 09:37 AM

Khan Han,

these pics. can not be taken as a evidence. because we dont see the daily life, peoples scenery etc...

these are very beautiful pics. but seems theyre from a touristic brochure or something else.

i am very busy right now but i also want to help you by providing photos of urban landscape taken by me. so i hope tomorrow i' ll start(today i dont have my camera with me

) to send photos from Istanbul and i hope that i can provide some real photos from other cities too(due to having a dealer network all over the country).

kerem

dalem · 01-14-2008, 15:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Big K

my friend you sad Islamists, not Indonesians

Okay, genius, here are the first two sentences of the article you posted:

Quote:

"Indonesia has some worrying radicals but it seems to be following Turkey, with Islamists moderating as they get closer to power

IS INDONESIA, the most populous Muslim-majority country, undergoing creeping Islamisation?

And that is what I am commenting on. If someone can look at the events in Indonesia and think of them as somehow "creeping", then their entire thesis is suspect. I said nothing and imply nothing about Turkey.

Get it now?

-dale

Khan_Han · 01-14-2008, 20:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big K

Khan Han,

these pics. can not be taken as a evidence. because we dont see the daily life, peoples scenery etc...

these are very beautiful pics. but seems theyre from a touristic brochure or something else.

i am very busy right now but i also want to help you by providing photos of urban landscape taken by me. so i hope tomorrow i' ll start(today i dont have my camera with me

) to send photos from Istanbul and i hope that i can provide some real photos from other cities too(due to having a dealer network all over the country).

kerem

Slm Kerem,

I was going to add more photo's of the landscape as well but didn't have time...I had to prepare for a job interview at Credit Suisse (there known to kill your life so I had to prepare).

Anyways heres some more pictures...

Major_Armstrong · 01-14-2008, 20:31 PM

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Khan_Han · 01-15-2008, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Big K

i hope this is not not your own idea too...

If he didn't share such sick ideology he would not be mentioning it Big K. Or alternatively he would be denouncing such absurd slur. All these guys just do is give idiots like Bin Laden material to go on about how the west is so-called anti-islamic. Sometimes I think these guys are just acting in cohort with terrorist masterminds such as Bin Laden. How can you have inter-faith dialogue with individuals who view you as barbaric, blood thirsty monsters...It remains to be found out.

GAU-8 · 01-15-2008, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Khan_Han

How can you have inter-faith dialogue with individuals who view you as barbaric, blood thirsty monsters...It remains to be found out.

Bingo! We have a winner. It will take decades for Muslims to clean up their image in the civilized world. Only Muslims can do this. Tragically, the effort has yet to start. Until then, dialogue will be difficult at best. The desire to drag the civilized world back to the 15th century is not a winning position.

Ray · 01-15-2008, 11:56 AM

While there appears to be a shift away from Ataturk's ideals of secularism, as is understood from the media reports, Turkey is the most modern country in the Islamic world and is quite modern in its outlook.

There is also a historical reason as to why the Turks do not subscribe to the Saudi inspired form of militant Islam (Wahhabis). Where as the Ottoman Empire and the Caliphate was once ruling supreme, it is now the Arabs who are in the forefront of Islam!

Further, Ataturk changed the mindset from the ancient dogmatic interpretation to a progressive modern mindset. That has made an indelible mark on Turks, generations after generations.

In fact, the photos displayed would be blasphemous to the orthodox Moslem of the Arabic bent of mind.

Khan_Han · 01-15-2008, 20:21 PM

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Originally Posted by GAU-8

Bingo! We have a winner. It will take decades for Muslims to clean up their image in the civilized world. Only Muslims can do this. Tragically, the effort has yet to start. Until then, dialogue will be difficult at best. The desire to drag the civilized world back to the 15th century is not a winning position.

I hope this is not reffering to the muslims in general...Turkey is an example of how modern and progressive it is. The Turkish Republic is only one of the small number of countries to have transformed itself from the ashes of an empire into a modern nation state. It is one of a small number of countries to have achieved in radically changing the destination of a state, through Cultural and Economic revolutions. Mustafa Kemal Ataturk is perhaps one of the most important revolutionaries in the 21st century!
He was also a muslim!

Expat Canuck · 01-15-2008, 22:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Khan_Han

I hope this is not reffering to the muslims in general....[/IMG]

You are being way over sensitive and as such are picking fights.

Unfortunately for a lot of people it is indeed how Muslims are viewed, it's how we thought of the Irish for awhile too. It also does not help that you have d!psh|t muslims acting the same way we see them in the middle east in our countries we where born in and welcomed you to.

This does not mean that you all like to blow stuff up but untill there is a large, loud and fighting group of muslims that condemn this behaviour, people don't trust you. We did not put the scary images in our heads ourselves you know......

It would be like me here in Australia running around with a hockey stick and a flag calling the whole country a bunch of pussies because the AFL is a pansy sport like soccer....... How well would that blow over? What would people think of Canadians? I already know how they view Americans as I've been abused by many an Australian who thinks I'm American, it's nearly gotten me a beating a few times up to and including chasing me around a bar.....

I'm sure you get my point.

PS. I want to go to that bubble party and want to see Turkey in a very bad way. For some reason I've got an urge to smoke that flavoured tobacco from a hooka dn drink coffee while I watch people pass by. Been a dream of mine for awhile.

Khan_Han · 01-16-2008, 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Expat Canuck

You are being way over sensitive and as such are picking fights. I am not picking fights. I am just pouncing at every opportunity where I can remove the misconceptions.

Unfortunately for a lot of people it is indeed how Muslims are viewed, it's how we thought of the Irish for awhile too. It also does not help that you have d!psh|t muslims acting the same way we see them in the middle east in our countries we where born in and welcomed you to. Well it is no surprise that the idiots who act as such are usually muslims from the Middle East, not European muslims. In fact, I have been set upon afew times by groups of Lebanese youth in Lakemba, NSW too. Its there culture. They have grown up with guns and bombs exploding around them. It will also unfortunately always be in them.

This does not mean that you all like to blow stuff up but untill there is a large, loud and fighting group of muslims that condemn this behaviour, people don't trust you. We did not put the scary images in our heads ourselves you know...... The Turkish people don't have no trust issues. The whole world knows how we are.

It would be like me here in Australia running around with a hockey stick and a flag calling the whole country a bunch of pussies because the AFL is a pansy sport like soccer....... How well would that blow over? What would people think of Canadians? I already know how they view Americans as I've been abused by many an Australian who thinks I'm American, it's nearly gotten me a beating a few times up to and including chasing me around a bar.....

I'm sure you get my point.

PS. I want to go to that bubble party and want to see Turkey in a very bad way. For some reason I've got an urge to smoke that flavoured tobacco from a hooka dn drink coffee while I watch people pass by. Been a dream of mine for awhile. I recomend it. Its like medicine.

.

Expat Canuck · 01-17-2008, 02:21 AM

You are pouncing in the wrong places. The streets of the world would be a good place to start.

European muslims, the stabbing of van gough, death threats to anyone speaking out/against or drawing cartoons. I don't need to go on.

Turkey, people are borderlined on that I think otherwise you would have gotten right into the EU.

Bubble party, oh god I bet. Little white wet tops.......

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Big K FreeGeneral *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 12-11-06 Location: Istanbul Posts: 1,171 Country:	Khan Han, these pics. can not be taken as a evidence. because we dont see the daily life, peoples scenery etc... these are very beautiful pics. but seems theyre from a touristic brochure or something else. i am very busy right now but i also want to help you by providing photos of urban landscape taken by me. so i hope tomorrow i' ll start(today i dont have my camera with me ) to send photos from Istanbul and i hope that i can provide some real photos from other cities too(due to having a dealer network all over the country). kerem __________________ *I'm not willing to remain silent even there will be no effect when i say.*

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01-15-2008, 11:56 AM	#22 (permalink)
Ray Postmaster General *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-20-03 Posts: 27,195 Country:	While there appears to be a shift away from Ataturk's ideals of secularism, as is understood from the media reports, Turkey is the most modern country in the Islamic world and is quite modern in its outlook. There is also a historical reason as to why the Turks do not subscribe to the Saudi inspired form of militant Islam (Wahhabis). Where as the Ottoman Empire and the Caliphate was once ruling supreme, it is now the Arabs who are in the forefront of Islam! Further, Ataturk changed the mindset from the ancient dogmatic interpretation to a progressive modern mindset. That has made an indelible mark on Turks, generations after generations. In fact, the photos displayed would be blasphemous to the orthodox Moslem of the Arabic bent of mind. __________________ "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination." I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to. HAKUNA MATATA

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Expat Canuck Homesick Fool *Military Professional* Join Date: 05-17-05 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 1,020 Country:	You are pouncing in the wrong places. The streets of the world would be a good place to start. European muslims, the stabbing of van gough, death threats to anyone speaking out/against or drawing cartoons. I don't need to go on. Turkey, people are borderlined on that I think otherwise you would have gotten right into the EU. Bubble party, oh god I bet. Little white wet tops.......

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