Ray

I don't think it has a Leftist slant.

Yet, the Russian scientists somehow were left in the blue except occasionally for PC.

Solzhenitsyn and Boris Pasternak got the Nobel Prize and some suspect it was a "Rightist plot" aimed to embarrass the USSR!

On a tombstone:

Life is a joke and everything shows it,
I thought so once, but now I know it!

There is no doubt that in every important event/matter, politics cannot be far behind!

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I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.

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Expat Canuck

How could I miss it? Damn I'm glad he's not my PM what a joke he is. He's come out swinging at the US like a spoiled brat too. He seems to personally dislike the US like many other ignorant Australians for no reason other than it's the cool thing to do.

Oh well, at least he might make my internet faster....

Feanor

Aww. Nobody appreciated my linking to the South Park episode with the vice president?

Parihaka

I loved it and posted it on the wall of a greenie friends facebook. She's in Bali so I'm expecting something rude when she gets back.

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gunnut

Feanor, can you dig up the "hybrid" episode for Parihaka's friend.

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Bigfella

Expat,

There is a reason why Rudd is backing away from specific targets. Thr outgoing government has left him a VERY poisoned chalice.

"Clive Hamilton, author of Scorcher, writes:


We have come to expect that soon after its election a new government will declare that the previous administration has left a hidden mountain of debt and that stringent measures will be required to deal with it.

After checking the books, the Labor Government has said that there is no hidden Howard debt. But Mr Rudd has discovered in Bali this week that John Howard has left him something much worse than a budget blow-out -- a huge greenhouse debt.

Over 11 years, the Howard Government allowed Australia’s greenhouse gas emissions to grow so profligately that the task of cutting them back and meeting international expectations appears almost impossible.

Lacking a Charter of Greenhouse Accounting Honesty, the Howard Government could hide its negligence through a special clause inserted into the Kyoto Protocol at the last minute.

The “Australia clause”, as it was instantly dubbed, allowed the Howard Government to mask the extraordinary growth in fossil emissions by offsetting them against the sharp fall in emissions from land-clearing.

So, as late as this year Malcolm Turnbull could claim that in 2005 our emissions were only 4% or so above 1990 levels, even though our emissions from burning fossil fuels had grown by over 30%.

The true picture, concealed by tricky accounting, was much worse than the Government let on. And the get-out-of-jail free card provided by the Australia clause has already been played. Any cuts now must come from coal, oil and gas.

The implications of this appalling policy failure have come to a head in Bali today. The sticking point in the negotiations is whether to include in the Bali mandate a recognition that developed countries need to cut their collective emissions by 25-40% below 1990 levels by 2020.


The pressure on Australia is enormous, but Kevin Rudd is trapped.

Australia’s total emissions will reach around 110% of 1990 levels in 2010, which means that a 25% cut below 1990 levels would require Australia to cut its emissions by a third over a 10 year period. No wonder the Prime Minister is blanching at the prospect.

If the Howard Government had taken its responsibilities seriously Australia’s emissions in 2010 could be at 95% of 1990 levels. At a minimum we could have had several years of building the new energy infrastructure that would permit a rapid reduction of our emissions. Savings from energy efficiency alone could get us to this point.

It’s much easier to get from 95% to 75% in 10 years than from 110% to 75%. Cutting domestic emissions by the latter amount is not feasible and Australia would be required to buy emission permits from other countries or invest heavily in developing countries through the Clean Development Mechanism.

There could have been a third and much more attractive option. The deal granted to Australia at Kyoto in 1997 was so generous that we could easily have come in under our target for the 2008-2012 period and been left with a swag of emission credits we could then have banked for the second commitment period.

Alternatively we could have sold them to other countries, such as Japan, that might struggle to meet their obligations.

It will take the Rudd Government many years to pay off John Howard’s massive greenhouse debt. In truth, the Australian public will pay for it. The economic modellers have been pointing out for a long time that delaying action drives up the cost of cutting our emissions.
Although it is now Rudd’s problem, it is Howard himself who must take all of the blame, for it was his personal decision, against all of the advice, to remain stubbornly opposed to accepting the reality of global warming."

Bigfella

If the Peace Prize ever had credibility it lost it after they gave one to Kissinger. At least Le Duc Tho had the good grace to refuse - as he made clear, he was just doing his job.

captain

In the interest of a little balance here, Clive Hamilton is a founder and outgoing executive director of The Australia Institute.
The Australia Institute is, according to it's web site, a left wing, socialist think tank.

Hamilton has written a number of books including one called Affluenza, the title alone giving an indication of his politics.

Hamilton is also one of the darlings of the green left which is the public face of the Austalian Socialist Alliance.

The Green left's alarmist reference to Hamilton's book "Scorcher" is published here;

The high priests of climate doom and gloom would be impressed with Hamilton's hatred of the evil Neocons and his huge sense of morality I'm sure.

dalem

Yeah, equally ridiculous.

-dale

Feanor

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Oh and just the general address allsp.com takes you to a general menu of the site. They have almost all the episodes.

tankie

jeez , all i said was he had the balls to STAND UP and condemn his own country over the global warming issue , and now you lot have castrated him . now i know why i wont argue about politics , or religeon

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CyberPredator

In truth, the whole of humanity will try to pay for its own pollution - and it will fail. We cannot even pay the interest bill. In short we should forget about trying to avoid global warming because it cannot be prevented. Why? We are past the point of no return. We will go >5 C by 2100 and on the way suffer mass starvation and all-out world wide resource wars. We are phkd.

The first world has the science/technology to survive as long as it can resist hungry invaders until they starve to death. However, I wonder if we have the political courage to cut 80% of the world out of any future.

So, the aim of joining any carbon treaty is to ensure we remain part of the winning side. If we shirk our load, the likely winners might not want to have us in their group.

dalem

Your diaper full or something?

Take a breath and read the threads in the Science Forum.

It'll be fine.

-dale

bolo121

Nah got to agree with cyber on this one
We have consumed our resources at a totally unsustainable rate
World pop 7 bil+ and rising
Id give us about 100 years before modern techno industrial civilisation collapses
Sure al gore goes overboard sometimes but he is needed to counterbalance the bushies and their corporate paymasters

Dreadnought

Global warming huh? Well according to Al the artic is melting but according to certain scientist it has newer layers of ice and is not melting. How can this happen if were melting down Al? Who would you trust Al or scientists? I know who I would trust.

Should have given him the "Putz" prize instead.

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