Bluesman

KIDDING! Just kiddin'.

ANYhoo, I had to leave my job at CENTCOM when my wife (an Air Force nurse) got orders to Travis AFB. So, I got hired on as an intelligence analyst again, but this time, as an Air Force civvie.

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- George Orwell

Shuttlecat

Really? How so? In what way do they resemble terrorists? Do they really gave the same goals to destroy America? I bet those scumbags have secret meetings in which they discuss how best to undermine the American government and people.

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Feanor

Really? Are there any democrats on these forums? I would like to sit in on one of your meetings. I know I can't vote to help . . . . . . but maybe I can at least show some support?

TopHatter

I know, you're kidding. But we gotta stop with the name calling.

For one thing I know that you are capable of some astonishingly eloquent discourses on a regular basis. Why resort to name-calling?

JAD_333

We've been debating both topics a long time. But what is the point of debate when the goal of one party isn't to find the right solution, but to make political hay at the polls by carping on the negatives?

That template in one or more of its aspects would fit neatly over any number of periods in which we have been engaged in war. It doesn't even come close in one period of war: the Civil War. Restictions on civil liberties are sometimes necessary. We don't want to provide our enemies with shields to undermine us. Still, I take your point, if you mean restrictions must be adopted legally and done away with when the danger has passed.


No, I don't. I saw the antiwar demonstrations firsthand: 400,000 parading in DC, the Weather Underground and SDS trying to goad them into a riot. The people gathered twice in DC on the mall. I saw the buses surrounding the White House as a barrier in case of riot. I remember Kent State. I was in Chicago during the 1968 riots at the dem convention, smelled the tear gas, helped injured demonstrators...what I see today, is a congenital opposition going through the motions and a dem party turning a generally restrained military operation into a political bonanza.

They are just groups defined by accident of birth whose "members" are all over the spectrum in points of view. Those who really remember Vietnam don't want to go down that path again and many of them don't want to quit another war.

I don't get your meaning. Maybe the new generations have their own feuds now.

Well, that's good. They have the benefit of experience. Maybe they learned something from it.

We were lied to, but worse of all, we fought trying to win the next hamlet, but not the war. What a sickening waste...more than 50K troops died there. Is it any wonder that we who saw that, don't want a repeat?

You are condemned to learn from books. It will take you longer to grasp what it was than it did those who lived through it. But you seem to be off to a good start.

He's not a commie. He's an honest intellectual with a talent for a well-rounded phrase and a nice speaking voice. But if you think he's a world leader, think twice. I am not saying he can't be; I just saying there's no don't see any solid evidence of it yet. A good speech does not signify a good leader.

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Blues must be honored to control your vote. You are generous.

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Shamus

I occasionally have epiphanies reading your posts when the haze that permeates what's left of my grey matter clears for a few precious moments allowing me some cognitive reasoning ability .

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A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but
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ExNavyAmerican

1. Joe Lieberman

2. John Murhtha

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Bluesman

No, you didn't understand me. I didn't mean for you to pick two examples of those three characteristics. (And I see you, like me, couldn't do it, because NObody could).

No, I meant to pick two out of the three characteristics, because you can't have all three at once.

Ironduke

Astralis and Lieberman?

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Parihaka

You can get pills for that.

astralis

ironduke,

sorry, i'm not a registered dem

gunnut would be a better choice.

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