Parihaka

Because
1: Bluesman IS moderated, just as is every senior member on this board when required. Just because you don't see it happening in public, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

2: Senior members on this forum are given a great deal more leeway than new members, because they have proven their worth to the forum. jennery587 has not.

I'd also remind you both of the forum guidelines
# 9. public criticism of a moderator's actions; if you have any concerns about a moderator, please contact an administrator.

If you have a problem with my or other moderators decisions, feel free to PM Ironduke or TopHatter regarding those decisions via PM, as per the forum guidelines I've outlined above.

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TopHatter

I'll second everything Parihaka just said.

If you have a problem with a moderating decision, you are absolutely encouraged to PM either a Mod or Admin.

Please don't bring it up in a thread, for several reasons, including the one Pari mentioned.

Feanor

''I am seriously getting pissed off now!!'' (everyone recognize Eric Cartman? ) He is not a communist. Quit using communism as a derogative label that you slap on anyone who is ''left'' and who you don't like. We (communists) are a very small group of people with specific beliefs. Chavez is not one of us.

TopHatter

"All fingers are not alike, If you cut bigger ones to make all equal it is communism, If you stretch smaller ones to make all equal it is socialism, If you do nothing to make all equal it is capitalism."

smilingassassin

Personally I don't care what idiology people mate Chavez with, the guys an arrogant pompous *****. The man is anything but a responcible political leader, when you go to the U.N. and call another world leader "El Diablo" thats not showing tact or discretion which is something leaders are expected to do. It makes a mockery of the U.N. which is already struggling to regain its credibility.

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gunnut

I agree with Feanor and Smiling.

1. Chavez is not a communist. He's a fascist.
2. Chavez has the manners of a street punk, no offense to any punk.

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taygone

Next thing you know Chavez's name will be the only name on the ballot box and claims landslide victories.

gunnut

You mean there are other people running for president in Venezuela?

Mr. Chavez will have to "eliminate" his competition one by one.

Ray

Yes, why did Chavez not shut up as ordered by the King?

One must not forget his station!

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Feanor

How dare he keep talking? Doesn't he know the power of a royal monarch ?

Ironduke

I applaud the Spanish king. Chavez is just... annoying. Instead of giving away free heating oil to the "poor" of the US Northeast, why doesn't he sell it and do something to improve the lot of the 38% of his population below the poverty line. And just shut up.

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Silent Hunter

It should be pointed out that the King of Spain knows what fascism is like.

Dreadnought

Well lets see he stands side by side with Fidel and Putin and we are the devils?.LMAO your killing me. And what exactly did Fidel support during his regime? He shuts down radio stations forbids this and that and it reeks of communism aka removing peoples unalienable rights to free speach as well as others such as changing the constitution to rule indefinate. To democracy, Communism is derogative and a farse. I call it as I see it wether your "pissed" or not.

Free speech, something your above friend should learn is not his to control nor anyone elses.

For being a very small group you sure do hog up some of the largest countries and attempt to hold an awful lot of people at bay from their rights.

What you tend to call a leftist would result in anarchy here if someone from the "left" attempted to close down radio stations and deny the people freedom of speech. Therefore we IMO refer to the left as the opposition to the right and there are a few other parties but none with the stupidity (close) Mr Chavez has demonstrated thusfar.

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crooks

Great point - he was a major force in bringing Spain back to democracy, and he was a huge part of the failure of the attempted Military coup in 1981 - a brave and intelligent (he knew how to make himself appear insignificant so Franco would let the royalty continue) man imo.

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astralis

dale,

if you did that and got away with it, i would pay a good deal to have it shown 24/7 on cable TV- that'd be more entertaining than half the dreck out there.

on other news,

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Behind the King's Rebuke to Chávez - TIME

Few world leaders would consider it a good day if the King of Spain were to tell them publicly to "shut up." But then, few heads of state are as skillful as Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez at turning a foreign diplomatic rebuke to domestic political advantage. Chávez's radical left-wing rule resides in his populist challenge to "imperialist" threats — and what more convenient symbol of colonial oppression for Chávez (besides his favorite, the U.S.) than the Spanish throne, which plundered South America for three centuries before it was thrown out in the 1800s by Venezuelan "Liberator" Simón Bolívar, the namesake of Chávez's Bolivarian Revolution?


That's why Chávez seems less than ruffled at being told by King Juan Carlos, "Por qué no te callas?" — Why don't you shut up? — over the weekend at the Ibero-American Summit of Iberian and Latin American leaders in Santiago, Chile. The king got fed up when the Venezuelan firebrand went on one of his rants and repeatedly accused former Spanish Prime Minister José MariaAznar of being a "fascist" who had supported a 2002 coup attempt against Chávez. Chávez later spun Juan Carlos' outburst as a monarchical affront to democracy (though Juan Carlos was, in fact, key to restoring constitutional rule in Spain after the death of its genuinely fascist dictator, Francisco Franco, in 1975). "The king is a head of state like me," Chávez said, "only I've been elected three times with 63% support."

But behind the royal reprimand, much of the international media missed what may have set Chávez off in the first place. Chávez became visibly irritated at the summit when Spain's current Prime Minister, José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero — a socialist and Chávez ally — insisted that Latin America needs to attract more foreign capital if it's going to make a dent in its chronic, deepening poverty. Chávez blames "savage capitalism" for Latin America's gaping inequality and insists "only socialism" can fix it — hence his tirade against Aznar and other free-market "fascists." At that point Zapatero chided Chávez, reminding him that Aznar himself "was democratically elected by the Spanish people." Chávez kept trying to interrupt — summit organizers even turned off his microphone — at which point the King said what was on most summiteers' minds, if the general applause he got was any indication.

Back in Caracas today, Chávez is conveniently leaving the comments of Zapatero, who is supposed to be one of his leftist kindred spirits, out of the discussion. "What Zapatero said must have really bothered Chávez," says Venezuelan author and Chávez biographer Alberto Barrera. "It broke with the leftist fundamentalism on Latin America that he demands all his allies follow."

And it pointed up a fact about Chávez's revolution that chavistas are too reluctant to acknowledge. Venezuela, with its vast oil wealth, can afford to indulge socialism and eschew foreign investment; but most other Latin American nations can't. Their economic growth still depends on the kind of capital that global competitors like China and India are raking in, but which Latin America seems unable or unwilling to garner. The chavistas rightly argue that the distribution of capitalism's fruits has been grossly unequal in Latin America — which is a large reason why leftists like Chávez have been swept into power in recent years. But the region needs that investment nonetheless — and even leftists like Zapatero sound impatient with the region's mediocre performance.

In that sense, it seems appropriate that King Juan Carlos — head of a nation with major investments in Latin America — got snippy at the Ibero-American Summit. The annual gathering was started in 1991 by then Mexican President Carlos Salinas de Gortari, who at the time was trying to convince the U.S. to sign a free-trade agreement, as a way to make Mexico and Latin America look like global players. Latin leaders still use if for that purpose — but this time the Spaniards may have been less willing to play along. Their frustrations with Latin America, and those of the rest of the developed world, were reflected just before the summit last week in a report by the Paris-based Organization of Economic Cooperation & Development. The OECD called the region's economic showing "sub-optimal," and said even its best performers continue "losing ground to their Asian competitors."

In Venezuela, Chávez's weak political opposition is gleefully playing and replaying video of the summit exchange — especially delighted that the King used the informal, less respectful form of Spanish to address Chávez. They'll no doubt hope to use it to erode support for a raft of controversial constitutional reforms Chávez wants — including the elimination of presidential term limits — before a Dec. 2 referendum. Still, Chávez has come through past diplomatic outrages unscathed — in fact, just weeks after calling U.S. President George W. Bush "the devil" at the United Nations last year, Chávez went on to win reelection in a rout. Sure, even Chávez's friends at the Santiago summit seemed to feel satisfied that he finally received an arrogant gadfly's comeuppance. But anyone who thinks it dealt a significant blow to Hurricane Hugo may be royally deceiving themselves.

With reporting by Gideon Long/Santiago

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