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Old 10-05-2007, 23:58 PM   #1 (permalink)
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US: Reno veteran cuts down Mexican flag

Breitbart.tv » Reno Vet Cuts Down Mexican Flag Illegally Flown On Top of US Flag

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Old 10-06-2007, 00:41 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Racist!!! Bigot!!! Xenophobe!!!

I don't want to hear more about the whole story.

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Old 10-06-2007, 05:19 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Good for him!
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Old 10-06-2007, 06:15 AM   #4 (permalink)
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He broke the law.

I'm surprised you... forgot to mention that issue. No, of course he's a good patriotic American because he considers symbols more important than the law.
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Old 10-06-2007, 07:32 AM   #5 (permalink)
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HistoricalDavid;

Am I right in thinking that you believe the vet was in the wrong for restoring the American flag to its rightful place? The Mexican flag flying over the American flag was illegal too.

This may sound stupid and elementary, but symbols matter because they stand for something. Things that are abstract, but they matter. Two things that are abstract include patriotism, and your concept of right and wrong. Those things are exactly what this heroic vet did. Stand up for what he believed was right, and his country. If only more people did it.

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Old 10-06-2007, 08:25 AM   #6 (permalink)
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The raising of such a flag is rather rude against the host, as well as obviously being against the law.
I'd also be a hypocrite to say that no one in this country would rip down a foreign flag if it flew as high as the Irish one - there's plenty that would (especially if it was "Union Jackery" ).
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Old 10-06-2007, 08:26 AM   #7 (permalink)
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The Mexican flag flying over the American flag was illegal too.
Bingo....was one of the first things I heard when I saw the story. I'd say he did something his local govt. wouldn't do.
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Old 10-06-2007, 10:02 AM   #8 (permalink)
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To place your national flag over that of the host country is simply exhibiting insulting behaviour. The vet was right to remove it. Now wait for some shyster lawyer to leap to the defence of the half-wit who displayed it. He will most likely claim for his clients hurt feelings - and who knows what else.
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No, of course he's a good patriotic American
Yes David he is.He has more courage than most Americans care to show these days.I am proud of my heritage but first and foremost I am an American.This was not an immigrant proud of their heritage,this was a challenge to see if anyone had the guts to call them on their incredibly rude act.
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The Mexican flag flying over the American flag was illegal too.
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if anyone had the guts to call them on their illegal and incredibly rude act.

Not by any US law.

What the bar owner did may have been rude but he didn't break any laws.

The vet may have broke the law by brandishing a knife.

To me it seemed like a staged event.

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Old 10-06-2007, 12:17 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I suspected on first glance that it might have been staged, especially once the cameraman hounded the bar owner, but you can see that the vet was very angry, to the point where his remarks weren't quite what you might expect from a purely political view and that he had difficulty saying what he meant to say "flag instead of knife".

I think it was a genuine event.

Can anyone find a statute forbidding this? But regardless, it was just stupid of the bar owner. I doubt he meant anything by it. He seemed sort of dumb-founded by the whole thing. Might have wondered what all these people were gawking at. I wonder if anyone informed him.

EDIT: I wonder if the American flag touched the ground and, if so, if he will properly dispose of it by burning it, lol. Or actually, I guess thats not required for just having brushed the ground?

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I suspected on first glance that it might have been staged, especially once the cameraman hounded the bar owner, but you can see that the vet was very angry, to the point where his remarks weren't quite what you might expect from a purely political view and that he had difficulty saying what he meant to say "flag instead of knife".

I think it was a genuine event.

Can anyone find a statute forbidding this? But regardless, it was just stupid of the bar owner. I doubt he meant anything by it. He seemed sort of dumb-founded by the whole thing. Might have wondered what all these people were gawking at. I wonder if anyone informed him.
Gun Grape is correct,it is a code-not a law. Flag Rules and Regulations
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Old 10-06-2007, 14:03 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Am I right in thinking that you believe the vet was in the wrong for restoring the American flag to its rightful place? The Mexican flag flying over the American flag was illegal too.
As far as I'm aware, it's a contravention of the federal flag code; however, since it was not on public but private property, I'm not sure it was actually illegal in anything but a strictly technical sense. In any case calling it illegal would almost certainly be a contravention of the First Amendment.

PS cleared up by Gun Grape, a cold shower of reality personified.

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This may sound stupid and elementary, but symbols matter because they stand for something.
Yes, they are not necessarily the things themselves. Your or my freedom is hardly abridged by the desecration or improper use of symbols. An attack on a symbol of freedom is not the same as an actual attack on freedom, for example, or certainly not one which justifies brandishing a knife.

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Things that are abstract, but they matter. Two things that are abstract include patriotism, and your concept of right and wrong. Those things are exactly what this heroic vet did. Stand up for what he believed was right, and his country. If only more people did it.
This is what it boils down to: the consistency of symbolism, or law and private property?

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Not by any US law.

What the bar owner did may have been rude but he didn't break any laws.
Well, our mistake. BUT it goes beyond rude. Though it did look to me like the bartender hadn't the faintest clue what was happening.

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Perhaps. To me, that's a far smaller crime than flying a foreign flag over our own on our soil. Apparentyl our twisted society doesn't agree with me! Doesn't change the flag though that it's against flag ethics and courtesey.

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Well, I'm skeptical and always suspecting such things. But I wathced the video, and it seemed pretty authentic. You may be right, but I think it's genuine.
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Perhaps. To me, that's a far smaller crime than flying a foreign flag over our own on our soil. Apparentyl our twisted society doesn't agree with me!
No, the Constitution's first amendment doesn't agree with you. And as everybody obviously knows, that makes you un-American.
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