Swastikas, neo-Nazi gangs and attacks on Jews. Where? In Israel - Page 3

Amled · 09-11-2007, 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Stan187

I doubt that is really true. Because I doubt that most of these kids have much or any Jewish ancestry to begin with.

They either have Jewish ancestry or someone lied on their entry permits.

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Originally Posted by Ray
...About one million former Soviet Jews have immigrated to Israel since the 1990s, under the country's "law of return", which allows entry to anybody who is Jewish or has Jewish ancestry (defined as having at least one Jewish grandparent).

snc128 · 09-11-2007, 09:52 AM

nazis in Israel!
what is next?
rebellion of villagers?

Stan187 · 09-11-2007, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Amled

They either have Jewish ancestry or someone lied on their entry permits.

Not necesarilly. Mom's got one Jewish grandparent, but they have to let her Russian husband in, and their kid.

Dwarven Pirate · 09-14-2007, 04:39 AM

Seems there is alot of leeway in determining who qualifies to "return". This guy's take on the situation I find interesting:

Simply Appalling: Israel and domestic terrorism on the eve of 9/11

soutie · 09-14-2007, 06:40 AM

its quite strange how quickly the world forgets

chankya · 10-03-2007, 05:03 AM

on a related topic:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...450578,00.html

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Military cadet filmed doing Nazi salute
Eitan Glickman, Danny Spector
Published: 09.18.07, 09:58 / Israel Jewish Scene

A star pupil at a military boarding school in Israel shocked peers and educators when he published videos on the web of himself performing and teaching Nazi salutes in an IDF uniform.

The cadet was an outstanding senior at the Beit Biram High School, a branch of the renowned Reali High School in Haifa whose alumni include an impressive number of former generals, defense ministers and IDF chiefs of staff.

In the first video, the cadet is filmed by himself, in full military uniform, goose-stepping to the Nazi anthem. In a second video, he is joined by a friend, also in uniform. A third video shows him teaching his eight-year-old sister to perform a Nazi salute, in response to the girl's request to watch a children's film.

Under the third video, the student wrote the caption: 'In this clip, I'm teaching my sister important life lessons.'

The videos grew in popularity on Youtube, where they were posted. The student eventually removed them, following harsh reactions from his friends.

'This is an outrage'

Teachers and administrators at the school were shocked by the incident. "We're talking about an excellent student, with top grades, who is serious about his studies and invests a lot of effort," said one teacher. "He did something really stupid and he concedes this and is sorry."

"I'd heard rumors that such things went on in the dorm rooms, but I didn't know it really happened. I'm in shock… It's disgusting. Such people don't deserve to wear uniforms, or be alumni of the boarding school and the Reali… A red line has been crossed," said a former instructor.

"It's appalling," said a student at the school Monday. "We're meant to be the commanders of the next generation. Students who are meant to be preserving the highest level of ethics are doing the Nazi salute. There are students who dress up as Nazi officers as a joke… It's shameful that this is the way that future commanders are being educated."

"This is an outrage," added another student. "Students talk about throwing 'parties' to music of the Third Reich. It's not a surprise that neo-Nazi behavior is uncovered," he added, referring to the recent arrest of a neo-Nazi cell in Petah Tikva and several unsolved incidents of vandalism with swastika graffiti around Israel.

The cadet, who expressed regret at his behavior, will be called in for an internal hearing on Tuesday. The Reali School's principal, Ron Kitrey, had no comment on the incident, which the IDF Spokesperson's Office attributed to the late hour of Yedioth Ahronoth's request for a reaction.

Trooth · 10-03-2007, 11:47 AM

Little surprises me anymore. Not even this. I guess it is the "logical" extension of holocaust denial. I guess the next step would be a "gay-gypsies for Hitler" campaign group.

Dwarven Pirate · 10-03-2007, 22:03 PM

The ex-russian kids from the original story are Sephardic? So, they are marginalized to begin with, or at least not a part of the Israeli elite class. Or do I have this backwards...

Israel has alot of problems, and I find it small wonder that a small fascist group would rear its head now and then. Anywhere there is great social discord will have some fringe elements turning to this sort of doctrine, I think. And that would be just above and beyond the simple bigots.

HistoricalDavid · 10-03-2007, 22:08 PM

This really isn't as extraordinary as it seems.

a) People are capable of self-hate

b) They may be attracted to the sick power/domination parts of Hitler's ideology (unfortunately something which appeals to young, immature but charged morons)

Stan187 · 10-04-2007, 00:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Dwarven Pirate

The ex-russian kids from the original story are Sephardic?

No. Sephardic refers to Iberian specifically, and "Oriental" generally. Sfarad=Spain.

And either way, Ashkenazi/Sephardic differences and "ruling class" talk is stuff of 50 years ago. For the most part now, it doesn't matter. Especially considering how many immigrants from the FSU live in crap conditions even though they're Ashkenazi. The real thing that makes a difference is how long a family has been in the country, and what kind of connections they have. Most Sephardic people have been living there for quite some time.

Dwarven Pirate · 10-04-2007, 01:09 AM

OK.

Think the last thing I read on it was by Leon Uris and written in the fifties or something... I'll take your word that it is a non-issue nowadays.

BTW, what does FSU stand for?

Ucar · 10-04-2007, 02:34 AM

Former Soviet Union; I think...

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Dwarven Pirate Contributor Join Date: 08-20-07 Posts: 325	Seems there is alot of leeway in determining who qualifies to "return". This guy's take on the situation I find interesting: Simply Appalling: Israel and domestic terrorism on the eve of 9/11

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soutie *Military Professional* Join Date: 01-05-07 Location: spain Posts: 415	its quite strange how quickly the world forgets

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Dwarven Pirate Contributor Join Date: 08-20-07 Posts: 325	The ex-russian kids from the original story are Sephardic? So, they are marginalized to begin with, or at least not a part of the Israeli elite class. Or do I have this backwards... Israel has alot of problems, and I find it small wonder that a small fascist group would rear its head now and then. Anywhere there is great social discord will have some fringe elements turning to this sort of doctrine, I think. And that would be just above and beyond the simple bigots.

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Dwarven Pirate Contributor Join Date: 08-20-07 Posts: 325	OK. Think the last thing I read on it was by Leon Uris and written in the fifties or something... I'll take your word that it is a non-issue nowadays. BTW, what does FSU stand for?

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