leib10

I've been looking for instances of Moore's distortion of the truth, but I'm having trouble finding individual instances of it. Any help?

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dalem

There was a web page up for a while when F911 came out that went through all the misrepresentations and lies in that one, one by one. I don't know if it's still up though.

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FibrillatorD

Here you go

MichaelMoore.com : SiCKO : 'SiCKO' News : 'SiCKO' Truth Squad Sets CNN Straight

crooks

The guy's great entertainment, I love his books and movies, and I've never seen any case of lies either.
He's a bit over the top sure, but he produces satire that I've never seen anyone right-wing match.

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Taurkon

Have not seen his latest flick, but heard about it. Based on what I have heard, he is way off regarding the Canadian health care system. I spent 6 hours waiting in an Urgent Care center with daughter for 3 stitches. It could have been done at a doctors office, but it was Sunday.

My daughter needs regular checkups due to injuries caused in a car accident two years ago. When we returned to Canada months after the accident, after living in the US, we were told by the doctor at the Alberta Childrens Hospital, that my daughter would have died here in Calgary if the accident would have happened here. They send patients with her condition to the US for surgery.... and Calgary is a city of 1 million where the city we were living in the US was 115,000!!!

pro's and cons for both systems but take my word that he distorts the truth. I say that from experience.

sappersgt

I saw Sicko last weekend. Moore is a master at grandstanding and sensationalism. In spite of that, Moore does a good job in keeping the audiences attention. It is entertaining and at times funny. If only 10% of what he has to say is true then he's accomplished his purpose, to bring to light the current healthcare crisis in the US.

Micheal Moore doesn't exactly lie, he just includes only the information he wants you see and hear. I do know that in my personal life when people deliberately don't disclose information to me it's the same as lying.

On a related note I did get a forwarded email saying that 40% of all NHS doctors are immigrants. Not just the ones driving flaming SUVs. I haven't verified that information either.

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Shamus

Otherwise known as the sin of omission .He is a master at it,you'd think a Republican taught him .

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gunnut

Michael Moore is a superb film maker. I have never seen his work personally, but that's what I've heard from people who have, both agree and disagree with his agenda.

I personally don't agree with his political agenda. Like what Sapper Sarge said, he only presents those stories that agree with his agenda, and omit the rest. He's a master at presenting the anecdotal as statistical, and conveniently forget about the statistical. He manipulates emotions.

It works very well. Most people are very affected by emotions, some more than others. Without statistical and anecdotal counter arguments, it looks like the evidence is overwhelming in support of his agenda.

That's actually very dangerous. His work is more like propaganda, but portrayed as "journalistic" by the left.

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FibrillatorD

Dude, download Roger and Me. Or Bowling for Columbine. Or Sicko. Then shoot him down for how he makes movies.

TopHatter

As far as Bowling goes, an outstanding piece of manipulative propaganda and worthy of an Oscar for it's deceptive editing alone.

An excellent filmmaker, unquestionably and I say that in all sincerity.

But a "journalist"? A "documentary maker"? Gimme a f--king break.

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FibrillatorD

If you've seen those movies, then you have a valid opinion. If you haven't, then you don't. That was my contention.

Btw, I agree, except that I found Bowling for Columbine to be the least partisan Michael Moore movie of all. The conclusion was simply a question: why are Americans so violent?

Not friendly to the NRA, by any means, but hardly a piece of propaganda.

I recommend watching Roger and Me and Sicko, if only for -as you said, the awesome documentary filmmmaking. Fahrenheit 9/11 is a complete fluff, IMO.

gunnut

Americans are no more or less violent than any other people on this earth.

It appears that we're more violent because we live here. We see it on TV and newspaper and hear it on radio every single day. We have the most camaras around in the entire world. Everyone has a camcorder in the car and digital cam on the cell phone.

It's all about perception. Live in North Korea. You'll think it's the safest nation on this earth as far as social violence is concerned.

Michael Moore is a great manipulater of perception.

In Roger & Me, he interviewed Roger and concluded that he was lying just because he didn't agree with the answer.

In Sicko, he interviewed some Cuban doctors and concluded that they were not lying because he agreed with the answer.

Both parties he interviewed had reasons to lie. He believed one but not the other.

Debbie

It is media - it is distorted.

FibrillatorD

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astralis

gunnut,

journalistic?? what with your description of the state of american media, i'd think you'd agree with that sentiment too

more seriously, though, most of the dems i know (including the ones that agree with his messages) acknowledge that moore's stuff is propaganda, and not a wholly accurate reflection of all-that-is. he IS a movie-maker, after all, and if he has a position and wants to shout it to the skies, well, it's a free country. the reason why republicans revile him so much is because he's good at what he does.

to be honest, i don't mind the publicity that moore gets. the problems he highlights and popularizes are pretty important issues that should be debated one way or another. we can't deny that US healthcare is sorely lacking, for instance, or that abusive sweatshop labor is not a problem. in my mind, that already puts him ahead of say, his extremist right-wing equivalent, ann coulter, whom capitalizes solely on shock and the personal attack. moore, while also relying on emotional appeal, at least attempts to use reason (albeit very poorly thought out) to flesh out his policy prescriptions- not that i agree with them in any way.

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