MrFirst

Imperialism comes back

MOSCOW. May 31 (Interfax) - Attempts by certain members of the international community to impose their will on others are exceedingly dangerous, President Vladimir Putin told a press conference after negotiations with his Greek counterpart on Thursday. "In our opinion, this is nothing but diktat and imperialism," he said. "Certain members of the international community wish to dictate their will to everyone despite the norms of international communication and law," Putin said. "We think that this is dangerous and harmful. We are against using such methods in international affairs," he said.

http://www.interfax.ru/e/B/0/0.html?id_issue=11759053

Dreadnought

IMO Putin has no right to speak. His country is/has armed Iran with nuclear technology and weapons. These weapons find their way from Iran to Iraq and Syria then on to Hezbollah and the Taliban. Putin knows that we know what his arms dealers have been up to lately. He balks at the missle defense systems being put in place around his country and then launches a new ICBM and blames the U.S. in so many words. I would almost bet the missle defense was also partly put up to make him think further about what his little black market arms dealers do in the very near future. All I have to say to him is...How does it feel?

Ever notice there are no Russian troops in these countries? Maybe he doesnt want his Russian troops killed by Russian weapons sold to these countries by HIS country.

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Dreadnought

ANKARA, Turkey (AP) - Turkish authorities seized weapons hidden among construction materials on a Syria-bound train from Iran after Kurdish guerrillas bombed and derailed the train, a prosecutor said Wednesday.

The cargo was discovered when authorities checked containers on the train, which was attacked by separatist Kurdish guerrillas on May 25 near the town of Genc in southeastern Bingol province, Prosecutor Ismail Sari told reporters Wednesday.

The bomb attack derailed seven of the train's cars, Sari said. Authorities were investigating the incident, and would also check cargo on the rest of the train, he said.

The Iranian Embassy issued a statement Wednesday denying that the weapons belonged to Iran, and said the allegations were being made "by circles" aiming to disrupt Turkey's close relations with Iran.

Earlier Wednesday, a government official said the cargo included machine guns and pistols. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the media. The private Dogan news agency said the cargo included a rocket launch pad and 300 rockets, as well as other weapons and ammunition.

Turkish authorities suspect Iran is using Turkey as a transit point to send arms to Lebanon's Hezbollah movement via Syria.

On Tuesday evening, Turkish authorities forced a Syrian plane flying from Iran to land in the southeastern city of Diyarbakir and searched it for weapons. No arms were found.

Turkey, the only Muslim member of NATO, borders both Iran and Syria. It has good relations with Israel and its Arab neighbors and has contributed troops to the U.N.-led peacekeeping force in Lebanon

Indirect Fire

By selling weapons to Syria, and Iran, Putin is arming them against the US.

The same thing is happening in Asia where China is arming the Maoist Rebels against India.

MrFirst

Dreadnought,
Russia hasn't armed Iran with nuclear technology and weapons. Bushehr nuclear reactor that is under construction with help of Russia has still no fuel loaded, while Iran already has its uranium enrichment plant. What does that mean? That that Russia has no regard to the Iran's nuclear weapon programm. Who has? Some countries, such as USA, Germany, France, which assisted Iran to gain nuclear technologies before revolution of 1979.

But that was a long time ago, though who knows which technologies the Iranians have managed to receive from its the then western allies? That's a question. Anyway, the modern Iranian nuclear weapon program is successful because of Pakistan aid as Iran got its centrifuges from this country. So, where did the Pakistanis get their nuclear bomb? The US has built the light water reactor for it, Canada - the atomic power station with heavy water reactor and heavy water plant, France also has built the nuclear station and transfered the technologies of plutonium refining. Pakistanis have stolen technology of gas centrifuge in Europe. Then Chinese helped, they supplied Pakistan with heavy water reactor and energy reactor, they intentionally delivered the complete technology of producing of explosive device with yield of 25 kilotons, and for practical realization of exactly of weapon nuclear enrichment they delivered 5000 annular magnets and sent the specialists who installed all this. In Switzerland the Pakistanis got the documents on uranium enrichment plant, in England they got some high-frequency inverters, in Germany - tritium and technology of processing of plutonium with tritium. Then the Pakistanis made their bomb and after all of this they helped Iran to create its own weapon uranium, that, in turn, troubles you so much, Dreadnought.
And so, who armed Iran with nuclear technology???

GVChamp

Oh, please. There is a huge difference between trying to integrate the world economically and politically and trying to impose our will on nations, let alone actually CONQUERING them, DEPOSING their government, and SETTING UP puppet governments.
And our foreign policy is certainly a lot more timid than creating blockades over a statue, or engineering a cyber-attack on a soverign nation.

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gamercube

Is it? American policy since WWII has been such that among the industrialized nations, the US has fought the most wars, engineered the largest number of coups, and destabilized more number of countries than anyone else. Timid? By what measure?

GVChamp

Cold War enviornment, neccessary to ensure world stability against Soviet encroachment. Since 1990, the United States hasn't practiced anything close to imperialism.

gamercube

********. There's always an excuse for imperialist actions at any time. When the European countries colonized the rest of the world, their reasons were noble too: They wanted to "civilize" the barbarian races of the world.

Besides, all this bullshyt about "countering" Soviet machinations fails to mention how most of the countries that were destabilized had massive American economic interests in them. Many coups were engineered to protect those instruments of American hegemony, especially when democratically elected leaders sought to nationalize them in the interests of their countrymen.

In fact, even the Soviet Union never destabilized as many countries as the US did. So this talk about "countering" Soviet encroachment is meaningless.

gunnut

Wow, aren't we ignorant today? More so than yesterday.

Look at any unstable nation around the world today. What are the locals using to kill each other? Not M-16s. AKs are the prefered weapons. Soviets had a different way of destablizing governments. They don't use the evil corporations. They flood the area with AKs, mostly made by their satellites in eastern Europe.

Why do you hate the west so much? Why are you in Canada if you hate the west so much? Are you some kind of a masochist? Maybe you should think about going back to your beloved India that is perfect and benign.

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gamercube

Tch, tch. Same lame tactics of putting words in my mouth. Did I say I hate the "west"? No. I posted my views about the foreign policy of the US. Is the US synonymous with the "west"? Certainly not.

So next time you attempt to find flaws in my arguments, I suggest you pay close attention to what I'm actually saying.

Archer

Perish the thought, Canada is welcome to have him and keep him, forever and forever. We already have Arundhati Roy and enough commies as it is. If you act smart, we'll encourage him to move to the US.

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gunnut

I guess Europe doens't count as the west either.

Hey I give you credit for at least not arguing about you being more ignorant today than before.

gunnut

You can keep him. We have enough US haters here already. I live in California. I know.

Grim

Gamercube Sir
Would you be so kind as to support your blanket accusation against the USA with some statistics please. To your knowledge just how many nations did the USA try to destabilize compared to how many did the USSR try to destabilize? I will leave my opinion on this at the door. I am just curious as to what it is that you believe about this and I would like to consider it more.