Parihaka

You told me to shut up. I'm telling you to **** yourself.

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Parihaka

Sure. Everyone in the G7 does. So does Australia and New Zealand, Spain, and most of Western Europe. Most of Eastern Europe has expressed a strong desire for freedom and cheer to be spread in their direction, and are lining up to join the club.

chankya

No I didn't. I was refering to the US. However if misinterpreting statements and flinging abuses based on that makes you happy, feel free. And again, may i add.. very clever.

<I'm finally done with a project and full of beer and merry cheer today. Don't give a rat's ass what insults you want to throw at me.>

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Parihaka

You keep re-editing this same post each time I reply to it. Why is that? Do you think you can win an argument by changing history?

Oh wait, you do, don't you

chankya

No but I do have thoughts occurring constantly. You do realize that all my edits are along the same lines? Still, something other than an abuse is quite impressive.

Please do point out where I'm trying to change history? Do you dispute any of those 3 govts I listed? Or do you dispute that "freedom for all" or some such variant is constantly used? or was it the UN bit? (I'm already at 3 edits on this and while I'm only adding I'm curious as to whether it's pissing you off? )

Grim

One of my core beliefs is that we the people are responsible for the actions of our governments.
This is truly a serious issue to me. As it is also an issue with a lot of gray to it, not just a black and white. It is well worth thoughtful consideration.

chankya

I agree with you completely. I was only replying since the conversation sounded a bit too one sided to me.

Democracy could do with a whole lot more people like you. In not just the US but everywhere people constantly wash their hands off their govts. Its not a good thing. Not in a democracy. History is not always clean but thats not reason nor excuse for not trying hard to keep the future clean.

Parihaka

No, I don't realise that at all. I'll reply to a line, then you'll add another, I'll reply to that, you add another, changing the context each time. You think that's abusive, you ain't seen nothing.
I don't dispute any of this, I simply also recognise that nearly all nations do it, but you only see the U.S. doing it. You're changing history by omission.

Parihaka

No you didn't you quoted me and said
This is what I'm talking about. Write one thing, claim you said another, re-edit your posts, on and on .........

chankya

No. I was only objecting to the US not being particularly principled but claiming to be so. The USSR was not principled and nor is any other nation in the planet. But then not very many keep stating that they are the champions of freedom.

Also while I stand by all I said, I'd like to apologize for being rude. No excuse for that. Good Night !

chankya

It was in the context of a "For a country....". I absolutely am not doing anything you claim and I did not reedit anything under contention to make my position better or refute yours.

I edited to add statements on a line of argument directly stemming from one single post of yours. I can't really help it if it upsets you.

chankya

Also ( and I do hope you appreciate the fact that I started a new reply this time! ) I don't recall you pontifying. In fact I went back and I can't find you talking about freedom at all. So why would you think that?

MrFirst

You forgot Russia in your top.
But seriously I can't understand what this list has to mean. Such countries like Ukraine, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, didn't exist until USSR collapsed. Why are they presented in this list of "destabilized by USSR" if you were discussing USSR and USA with Gamerclub?

Berkis

The statement that Baltic states didn’t exist shows the ugly face of imperialism in its entirety.

Occupation of Baltic states - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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snc128

i have already forgot it.maybe because of lack of reaction....
who knows?

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