veera8

can there be any better way to express communal hormony??

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entropy

Replace IslAm by Atheism.

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If memory serves...

veera8

FATWA :::

i hereby issue a fatwa against u and there by u are relgated to a dirty kaffir ... and also u are devoid of 72 beautiful virgins

Big K

@Veera8,

i am afraid that i am not agree with you because i think this is not the religions, or books, or God himself dividing us(humanity).

please think about history...it was always us!...i mean humanity...the "badges" does not matter in that case..christian or muslim or jewish...

this is mankind himself who classifies mankind...black...white...muslim...christian...or communist...or democrat...or terrorist or what you want...

this was our ambition and lust...and lack of a good perspective...lack of wisdom and good sense...and lack of good leaders...

i think we have no need of a Satan...

@enrtropy,

yes indeed islam has respect for every mankind...the key is "no forcing" never...it is forbidden definitely...because in islam "free will" is the most important thing...
for exemple when you perform the namaz first of all you'll have to say: "my Lord, i'll perform namaz with my freewill and for your assent"

in fact every religious rituels in islam are have to be performed "secretly"!!!
because your faith is a matter between Lord and you...nobodys business...theres no cleric class in islam....nobody can say nothing between you and Allah...

please check out this site: Mevlana Celaleddin Rumi, the great Anatolian philosopher and the father of the Mevlevi sect


but...i have to say something...unfortunately people interpreted Islam falsely...islamic nations have very low education levels...however maybe you know...islamic world was in his golden ages during europeans are in dark ages...they invented firstly medecine....for exemple "number 0" is invented by a arabic scientist...etc..

the first order in islam is : "READ" "READ İN THE NAME OF ALLAH"
thats why islam normally is a religion of logic...the word "read" here is have to be commented as "research"...according Quran Allah is the creator of the universe...and mathematics for exemple...an other way to find Allah...theres nothing accidental...
when a man sad to Muhamed (SAV) show us a miracle...he sad that Quran is his miracle...you have to believe...

heres an exemple...as you know only female mosquitos are biting us...
in Quran...i dont realize how many years ago but, in Quran Gods word for biting mosquitos is a "female word"...female like in french...words are masculin and feminin...

like i ve sad before...religions are used by big political players to control people...

i have a theory about politics....when you face a case....ask your self...this case...who have profits from this case...and you'll find the responsible...

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Bigfella

Big K,

Nice to have another 'big' on the boards. Also nice to hear from an eloquent adherent to Islam (I'm sure there are many others, just not on this board). I always believe that humanity works best when people talk to each other, rather than shouting at each other. You provide us with just such an opportunity, and I thank you for it.

Just one point before Ray & a few other of our subcontinental bretheren get to it first: it was my understanding that the concept of the '0' actually originated in India, was integrated into the mathematics of the Islamic world through their contact with that civilization, and from there made its way to Europe. I may have been mininformed on this, but that is my understanding.

This does not in any way detract from my respect for Islam in its golden age of learning, nor diminish my desire that there should be a revival of that great tradition of scholarship (as quickly as possible).

Big K

it is my pleasure Bigfella

yes maybe i am wrong about "0" case but i am veryy happy to communicating someone rightly...because i think the problem is communication between nations...

like yingyang philospy...when westerns and easterns realise that they cannot live without eachother it will be the paradise on earth...

Ray

Hey chaps,

How about something about how we can help to regain the soul of Islam from the Wahhabis, who have gripped the soul!

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Big K

communication my friend...

Ray

Is it failing?

If so, how?

veera8

thanks for the reply ...but i do see many discrepancies in the words of muslims and their actions ....

even a cursory look at today's world will prove that muslims are indeed behind many violence ...but when questioned ,without any exception every muslims argues back captioning islam as religion of love and peace and also will never fail to give a taste of miracles of quran ....
still my friend, death to a muslim apostle is the biggest compulsion and it kills the spirit of free will .....why so ???


indeed i do agree islam too had its own great days when it excelled in astronomy,mathematics ,science e.t.c .....as Big fella stated let there be a dawn of such golden days but without extremism and tolerance of other faiths ....

thats true the zero and decimal numbers had its origin in India ...even mayan's had their own version of zero but it died with the demise of their civilsation ....



peace

veera

Big K

no other ways can succeed...i think...

Dr Fu Manchu

Lets say Wahhabism magically disappears from our planet. What was Islam's record vis-a-vis the pagan idolators?

Was it benign during Islam's formative years? Was it benign during Islam's golden age, when it was a super-power for centuries. Was it benign during the gunpowder revolution?

Big K

in fact you gave your own answer..

yes everybody will say to you that islam is a religion of love...and...you are absolutely right that muslims are behind almost every violative moves..

so what's wrong with these people???

maybe people shold dip the pin themself than dip the packthread to the others... this is a old proverb of my country..i've tried to translate

veera8

more than ALLAH --it is the oil power ...as long as the black gold shines so is wahhabism ....

Big K

yes i partially agree with you veera...

as long as the black gold shines middleeast will be a dangerous place...

but..

imagine once...all of us...just like an alternative history...

what if the petrol wasnt there???...