Kosovo

Ray · 02-02-2007, 11:08 AM

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Kosovo: Ahtisaari or bust

UN envoy for Kosovo Ahtisaari speaks during news conference in Pristina

As the details of the Ahtisaari's Kosovo plan are revealed in Belgrade and Pristina, diplomats say attention will turn to Brussels and Moscow. Meanwhile, Belgrade threatens to reject an independent Kosovo but ethnic Albanians will likely get it anyway.

By Tim Judah in Pristina and Belgrade for ISN Security Watch (02/02/07)

When Martti Ahtisaari touches down in his chartered plane first in Belgrade and then later Friday in Pristina, nobody will be holding their breath wondering what he will have to say. Officially, the former Finnish president, who was charged by the UN with either negotiating a solution to the Kosovo problem or, failing that, coming up with a proposal of his own, is visiting to hand his document over. In fact, everyone already knows what is in it.

For months, the broad outlines of the Ahtisaari proposal have been clear. However, this week the details emerged when the Kosovo daily Lajm on Wednesday published four blank pages. It had been intending to publish details from a leaked copy but had then been pressured by "different circles" not to do so. Later in the day, Reuter's news agency revealed what Lajm had been prevented from doing.

Technically, Kosovo remains a part of Serbia. However, since the end of the war there in 1999 it has been under the jurisdiction of the UN. Of its some two million people, about 90 percent are ethnic Albanians who will settle for nothing less than independence. Serbia rejects this and has offered it "more than autonomy but less than independence."

Ahtisaari's plan does not mention the word "independence" but nor does it mention Serbian sovereignty either. It is clear, however, that what it describes is an independent country, albeit with some conditions, at least to begin with. Under the terms of the plan, Kosovo would be allowed to join international organizations, including the UN, and it would have a lightly armed Kosovo Security Force. According to diplomatic sources, this will number around 2,500 men plus 800 reservists.

The plan foresees that the current UN mission in Kosovo be replaced by an EU-led one, which would concentrate on the fields of police, the judiciary and customs. There would also be what is being called an International Civilian Office (ICO). The person who heads this office, the international civilian representative, would have considerable political powers, much like the international community's high representative has had in Bosnia. The likelihood is that the EU mission and the ICO would be headed by the same person, again as in Bosnia.

The Ahtisaari plan also foresees that Kosovo's national symbols, its flag and so on, should reflect its multinational character, which means that new ones will have to be created. In fact, in anticipation of this, work has already begun. The new state also will control its own borders. Annexes of the plan propose extensive decentralization for Serbian areas, which amount to considerable autonomy and would give them the right to links to Belgrade.

The current NATO-led peacekeeping force in Kosovo would stay, as would the mission of the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE).

Although Kosovo Albanians will be disappointed by some elements of the plan, since it proposes, in effect, an independent state, they are unlikely, bar certain hardliners, to complain too much.

The reaction in Serbia will be different. Indeed, Vojislav Kostunica, Serbia's caretaker prime minister, has already said he would not see Ahtisaari on Friday, claiming that he did not have the authority to do so in the wake of Serbia's 21 January elections, since a new government has not yet been formed.

More significantly though, Kostunica is trying to lay down a condition about Kosovo for all potential coalition partners. Although not saying so explicitly, it leaves the door open for the cutting of diplomatic relations with any country that recognizes an independent Kosovo. This could have considerable negative ramifications for both Serbia's bids to eventually join the EU and NATO and of course for regional cooperation, which, if such a rule was enforced, would grind to a halt.

On Wednesday, Leon Kojen, a member of Serbia's Kosovo negotiating team, effectively rejected the Ahtisaari plan, saying on television, "nothing [..] will be solved as Ahtisaari says until Belgrade agrees to it."

While the media focus is now on Belgrade and Pristina, the diplomatic focus is far from there. Indeed, that is now in Brussels and Moscow. The reason for this is clear: As Ahtisaari has now produced his plan the diplomats are working on the next stage of the process, which is coming up with a formula of words acceptable for all for a new resolution to be passed by the UN Security Council.

Today, the UN's jurisdiction in Kosovo derives from Resolution 1244 of June 1999, which ended the Kosovo war. Although the Serbs and Kosovo Albanians will be given an opportunity to react to the plan and indeed to meet and discuss it in Vienna, where Ahtisaari has his headquarters, little is expected to emerge from this. At the end of that process, Ahtisaari will, according to diplomatic sources, then present his plan to Ban Ki-moon, the UN secretary-general and, unlike in the proposal itself, he will write a covering letter in which he says explicitly that he is talking about an independent Kosovo.

US and UK diplomats especially would then like the Security Council to replace Resolution 1244 soon after this, perhaps in April.

Although the new resolution itself need not mention independence, in its wake, Kosovo would declare independence, and four months later the ICO would take up the reins from the UN on so-called status day, at which point other states would begin recognizing Kosovo as an independent country.

Whether Kosovo's independence is in fact achieved like this remains an open question, however. Until now, Russian officials have said that they would not consent to anything that Belgrade did not agree to. In private, however, they are saying that "all options" are on the table. Since independence is one option that means it has not been ruled out. ISN Security Watch's diplomatic sources say that Russia has been hardening its stance against independence recently, but says one diplomat: "It is not really Russia as such. It is going to be what Putin eventually decides."

Quite apart from what Putin decides to do, it is clear that from the diplomatic point of view Kosovo will be an important test for Europe's Common Foreign and Security Policy (CFSP). At the moment, there are several EU states that have expressed reservations about Kosovo's independence. They include Romania, Slovakia and Spain.

Although diplomatic sources say they believe an EU consensus will be reached, there might be chaos if it was not and they also believe that there is a far greater chance of Russia either agreeing to a new Security Council resolution, or at least not opposing one, if there is EU unity coupled with trans-Atlantic agreement on the question too.

While Kostunica may hope that Russia can succeed in stopping Kosovo from becoming independent, this in fact is a forlorn hope. If Russia blocks a UN resolution then the so-called "nightmare scenario" would more than likely become reality.

If it is absolutely clear that Kosovo will not gain independence via the Security Council, then Kosovo's Albanians will move to declare independence anyway. The US and Britain would probably recognize the new state and EU unity on the question would risk being wrecked. Since there would be no UN resolution, there would be no EU-led follow on mission either, as EU members would be unlikely to agree on this without a resolution. Kosovo Serbs would also not have the protections foreseen by the Ahtisaari proposal, as it would now be a dead letter.

In such circumstances, the likelihood of violence would increase exponentially. The Serbian dominated north of Kosovo would secede and the some 60,000 Serbs in the enclaves across the rest of Kosovo might well flee or be ethnically cleansed.

Violence may come anyway in the wake of the Ahtisaari proposal, but for the moment, the chances of containing both Albanian and Serb frustrations remain higher than they would if the issue was no longer in the hands of the diplomats.

Tim Judah is the author of Kosovo: War and Revenge and The Serbs: History, Myth and Destruction of Yugoslavia.

ISN Security Watch - Kosovo: Ahtisaari or bust

Neither independent not dependent!

Typical chicanery to keep the pot boiling.

Pontius Pilate resurrected.

A disgraceful situation indeed!

SRB · 02-02-2007, 20:00 PM

It goes to independence. I just dont understand were is compromise if Kosovo became total independent, and will NATO protect Serbs there when Kosovo became independent beacuse even today(02.02.2007) one serb woman has stab with knife and one serb school was demolished.

But if I rember Crotia when 250.000 Serbs left under attack of Croatian army which with that attack break UN resolutions and agriments and onone help them I could expect another wave of refuges in next couple of months from Kosovo to Serbia.
Thanks God we have food and water.

durtyburd · 02-02-2007, 20:19 PM

I find the international push to make Kosovo independent troubling.

Kosovo was the homeland of Serb culture and the administrative center of the Orthodox Church in Serbia.

By pushing for Kosovar independence, the international community is pushing to legitimize the demographic changes caused by Adolf Hitler during the Second World War. It was during the world war that the demographic change in favor of Albanians in Kosovo really gained momentum. The Germans encouraged this demographic change.

If the world pushes to make Kosovo independent and give sovereignty of the land to the Albanians, then the world is effectively completing one of Adolf Hitler's goals.

I really hope that Russia vetoes this in the Security Council.

MrFirst · 02-02-2007, 20:29 PM

Participation of Martti Ahtisaari in Kosovo settlement means the salvation of question in favour of Kosovo Albanians. Martti Ahtisaari is the famous expert on creation of the independent states. In 1990 he assisted to the state of Namibia to appear. South African visitors of this forum certainly recollect this peacemaker by a kind word...
Serbia as the won nation must agree with independence of Kosovo. They have no choice.

SRB · 02-03-2007, 07:13 AM

Major politicians in my country will not accept independent Kosovo i Metohija(KiM) (this is true name of that part of Serbia) Metohija means church land.
Orthodox chuch have large ownership over land in Metohija for centuries. Now this will be stolen from church.
Serbs also own large estates in Kosovo countryside of course this will be stolen too.
Albanians are major criminals in UK, France and Germany. Prostitution
,drugs and arm trade is in albanian hands in EU and now Europe will get europian Colombia.
I think if Kosovo became independent Serbia must build wall around board it is the only way to control border.
Albanians are very efficient in smuggling everything. It is very hard to get insider in albanian mafia so tiping is imposible. KLA smuggling huge quantity of light and medium arms during 1996-1999.
EU think thez will solve albanian mafia problem if deport criminals to Kosovo but if Serbia dont have strong protected border (like Isreal building on west coast) criminals will easy get back to EU.

And can anyone explain to me were is compromise in this proposal?
It would be independent very soon and Serb people will not be protected beacuse they live for 7 years in getos and for 7 years there was large number of KFOR soliders and Serbs were killed and now they will be protected only by albanian police which in 7 years didnt find any killer in more than hundreds kills of Serb civilans.

MrFirst · 02-03-2007, 11:41 AM

SRB, I do not believe the ability of Serbian authorities to defend Serbian national interests. They allowed Montenegro's government to get independence through unfair voting in spite of the fact that it was 'business with rotten tomatoes'. They did nothing pretending that it was OK. Why do you think that will be another way in case of Kosovo? Your president and prime-minister will resist for some time for proforma, may be for some months, may be for some years as the greatest. But finally they'll agree with EU and NATO because it's incredible and illogical position to deny suggestions of organizations which Serbia wants to enter.

SRB · 02-03-2007, 15:36 PM

Simple if president or prime-minister acept independent Kosovo that guy will be political dead. They job is to get in power so it isnt in their interest to go against majority. Majority right now and in couple of years will be against independence of Kosovo.

We are far away from EU and NATO.

durtyburd · 02-04-2007, 00:25 AM

SRB brings up a very good question.

What will happen to the large amounts of farmland owned by Serbs who live in Belgrade?

Will it be ripped away from them with no compensation?

Honestly, though, the Serbs better look to Russia to back them up. Russia can veto any moves to make Kosovo independent.

I really do wish that Russia would have threatened war with the West when NATO started bombing Serbia in the 90's. Serbia is Russia's friend and ally and Russia would have had every right to threaten to begin lobbing missiles at NATO countries as a result of the unjust aggression on the part of NATO against the sovereign Republic of Yugoslavia.

Some Americans, like myself, were disgusted at the spectacle of American jets bombing targets in a country allied with Russia. I really wish that Russia would have stood up for the Serbs.

But it is not too late, Russia can still stand up for the Serbs today. Russia could threaten to cut Europe's gas pipelines or maybe quadruple the price of gas in Europe. Russia could threaten to absolutely flood the world with arms and even make sure that many of those arms find themselves in the hands of European criminal organizations.

Russia could cause problems for the West. Kosovo is NOT worth the problems that Russia could cause.

Ray · 02-04-2007, 04:23 AM

Serbs maybe bums.

Albanians are coming and that means the Moslem's frontiers expand!

OK, but you Mr Bush and Bluesman?

Funny geostrategic and geopolitics policy being followed!

SRB · 02-04-2007, 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by durtyburd

SRB brings up a very good question.

What will happen to the large amounts of farmland owned by Serbs who live in Belgrade?

Will it be ripped away from them with no compensation?

Honestly, though, the Serbs better look to Russia to back them up. Russia can veto any moves to make Kosovo independent.

I really do wish that Russia would have threatened war with the West when NATO started bombing Serbia in the 90's. Serbia is Russia's friend and ally and Russia would have had every right to threaten to begin lobbing missiles at NATO countries as a result of the unjust aggression on the part of NATO against the sovereign Republic of Yugoslavia.

Some Americans, like myself, were disgusted at the spectacle of American jets bombing targets in a country allied with Russia. I really wish that Russia would have stood up for the Serbs.

But it is not too late, Russia can still stand up for the Serbs today. Russia could threaten to cut Europe's gas pipelines or maybe quadruple the price of gas in Europe. Russia could threaten to absolutely flood the world with arms and even make sure that many of those arms find themselves in the hands of European criminal organizations.

Russia could cause problems for the West. Kosovo is NOT worth the problems that Russia could cause.

Russian foreign office minister said that Putin never said that Russia will use veto n UN about Kosovo. I am skeptic about Russian support to us. And even today they are talking about compromise about Kosovo and they know it is impossible. They will not cut gas to EU it is not in their interest.

Stan187 · 02-04-2007, 13:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SRB

They will not cut gas to EU it is not in their interest.

Of course not. Russia stands with fellow Slavs, in spirit. But not if it harms their own intersts more than it increases their prestige. And frankly, no one cares enough about Kosovo, not in Russia or the West.

Ray · 02-04-2007, 13:45 PM

And yet, Albanians are to be let loose to create havoc?

MrFirst · 02-04-2007, 17:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SRB

Russian foreign office minister said that Putin never said that Russia will use veto n UN about Kosovo. I am skeptic about Russian support to us. And even today they are talking about compromise about Kosovo and they know it is impossible. They will not cut gas to EU it is not in their interest.

Foreign Minister Lavrov repeatedly declared that Russia will take only such decision which Belgrad will agree with. But you must understand that Russia's abilities are not very high. Perhaps the United States will do another way without UN Security Council. In fact Kosovo already independent and recognition of a state in UN is just a trick. US may choose one-side recognition then US will open its embassy in Pristina and after US other countries - Germany, Britain, Canada, France... In that case the UN recognition won't be very important. The Russian veto in UNSC may not help you.

Alex_Ivanov · 02-04-2007, 18:40 PM

Putin hinted several times, that if West accepts independence of Kosovo without UNSC approval, Russia would accept independence (with possible joining Russian Federation) of Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Trans-Dniestria, in future, maybe, South-Eastern Ukraine and Cremea. So, if veto won't help, Russia has other means. West has to think twice, before it starts such process of redrawing borders.

Stan187 · 02-04-2007, 23:03 PM

Russia already recognizes Transnistria, though it is the only country to do so.

02-02-2007, 20:00 PM	#2 (permalink)
SRB Contributor Join Date: 05-19-06 Location: Belgrade Posts: 402 Country:	It goes to independence. I just dont understand were is compromise if Kosovo became total independent, and will NATO protect Serbs there when Kosovo became independent beacuse even today(02.02.2007) one serb woman has stab with knife and one serb school was demolished. But if I rember Crotia when 250.000 Serbs left under attack of Croatian army which with that attack break UN resolutions and agriments and onone help them I could expect another wave of refuges in next couple of months from Kosovo to Serbia. Thanks God we have food and water. __________________ USSR EXPERIMENTAL SPITFIRE

02-04-2007, 04:23 AM	#9 (permalink)
Ray Postmaster General *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-20-03 Posts: 26,136 Country:	Serbs maybe bums. Albanians are coming and that means the Moslem's frontiers expand! OK, but you Mr Bush and Bluesman? Funny geostrategic and geopolitics policy being followed! Last edited by Ray : 02-04-2007 at 04:26 AM.

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02-02-2007, 20:19 PM	#3 (permalink)
durtyburd Regular Join Date: 10-07-06 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 111	I find the international push to make Kosovo independent troubling. Kosovo was the homeland of Serb culture and the administrative center of the Orthodox Church in Serbia. By pushing for Kosovar independence, the international community is pushing to legitimize the demographic changes caused by Adolf Hitler during the Second World War. It was during the world war that the demographic change in favor of Albanians in Kosovo really gained momentum. The Germans encouraged this demographic change. If the world pushes to make Kosovo independent and give sovereignty of the land to the Albanians, then the world is effectively completing one of Adolf Hitler's goals. I really hope that Russia vetoes this in the Security Council.

02-02-2007, 20:29 PM	#4 (permalink)
MrFirst Contributor Join Date: 01-02-07 Location: Empire of Evil Posts: 576	Participation of Martti Ahtisaari in Kosovo settlement means the salvation of question in favour of Kosovo Albanians. Martti Ahtisaari is the famous expert on creation of the independent states. In 1990 he assisted to the state of Namibia to appear. South African visitors of this forum certainly recollect this peacemaker by a kind word... Serbia as the won nation must agree with independence of Kosovo. They have no choice.

02-03-2007, 07:13 AM	#5 (permalink)
SRB Contributor Join Date: 05-19-06 Location: Belgrade Posts: 402 Country:	Major politicians in my country will not accept independent Kosovo i Metohija(KiM) (this is true name of that part of Serbia) Metohija means church land. Orthodox chuch have large ownership over land in Metohija for centuries. Now this will be stolen from church. Serbs also own large estates in Kosovo countryside of course this will be stolen too. Albanians are major criminals in UK, France and Germany. Prostitution ,drugs and arm trade is in albanian hands in EU and now Europe will get europian Colombia. I think if Kosovo became independent Serbia must build wall around board it is the only way to control border. Albanians are very efficient in smuggling everything. It is very hard to get insider in albanian mafia so tiping is imposible. KLA smuggling huge quantity of light and medium arms during 1996-1999. EU think thez will solve albanian mafia problem if deport criminals to Kosovo but if Serbia dont have strong protected border (like Isreal building on west coast) criminals will easy get back to EU. And can anyone explain to me were is compromise in this proposal? It would be independent very soon and Serb people will not be protected beacuse they live for 7 years in getos and for 7 years there was large number of KFOR soliders and Serbs were killed and now they will be protected only by albanian police which in 7 years didnt find any killer in more than hundreds kills of Serb civilans.

02-03-2007, 11:41 AM	#6 (permalink)
MrFirst Contributor Join Date: 01-02-07 Location: Empire of Evil Posts: 576	SRB, I do not believe the ability of Serbian authorities to defend Serbian national interests. They allowed Montenegro's government to get independence through unfair voting in spite of the fact that it was 'business with rotten tomatoes'. They did nothing pretending that it was OK. Why do you think that will be another way in case of Kosovo? Your president and prime-minister will resist for some time for proforma, may be for some months, may be for some years as the greatest. But finally they'll agree with EU and NATO because it's incredible and illogical position to deny suggestions of organizations which Serbia wants to enter.

02-03-2007, 15:36 PM	#7 (permalink)
SRB Contributor Join Date: 05-19-06 Location: Belgrade Posts: 402 Country:	Simple if president or prime-minister acept independent Kosovo that guy will be political dead. They job is to get in power so it isnt in their interest to go against majority. Majority right now and in couple of years will be against independence of Kosovo. We are far away from EU and NATO.

02-04-2007, 00:25 AM	#8 (permalink)
durtyburd Regular Join Date: 10-07-06 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 111	SRB brings up a very good question. What will happen to the large amounts of farmland owned by Serbs who live in Belgrade? Will it be ripped away from them with no compensation? Honestly, though, the Serbs better look to Russia to back them up. Russia can veto any moves to make Kosovo independent. I really do wish that Russia would have threatened war with the West when NATO started bombing Serbia in the 90's. Serbia is Russia's friend and ally and Russia would have had every right to threaten to begin lobbing missiles at NATO countries as a result of the unjust aggression on the part of NATO against the sovereign Republic of Yugoslavia. Some Americans, like myself, were disgusted at the spectacle of American jets bombing targets in a country allied with Russia. I really wish that Russia would have stood up for the Serbs. But it is not too late, Russia can still stand up for the Serbs today. Russia could threaten to cut Europe's gas pipelines or maybe quadruple the price of gas in Europe. Russia could threaten to absolutely flood the world with arms and even make sure that many of those arms find themselves in the hands of European criminal organizations. Russia could cause problems for the West. Kosovo is NOT worth the problems that Russia could cause.

02-04-2007, 13:45 PM	#12 (permalink)
Ray Postmaster General *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-20-03 Posts: 26,136 Country:	And yet, Albanians are to be let loose to create havoc?

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Alex_Ivanov Patron Join Date: 07-17-06 Location: Kamchatka, Russia Posts: 165 Country:	Putin hinted several times, that if West accepts independence of Kosovo without UNSC approval, Russia would accept independence (with possible joining Russian Federation) of Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Trans-Dniestria, in future, maybe, South-Eastern Ukraine and Cremea. So, if veto won't help, Russia has other means. West has to think twice, before it starts such process of redrawing borders.

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Stan187 WAB BOUNCER *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 11-24-06 Posts: 2,323 Country:	Russia already recognizes Transnistria, though it is the only country to do so.

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