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Old 03-20-2007, 09:20 AM   #46 (permalink)
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Sir, agreed. Croats, Serbs and Greeks in Balkans hate Albanians and Turks. However, there is severe disunity amongst the Christian Eastern Europeans themselves. Serbs hate Croats and vice-versa. So will they(or can they) unite against a common enemy? And will they win the Demographic war 25-50 years from now?

Edit: Then again, Macedonians are no great fans of Albanians either.
It is a fact that Croats, Bosnians and Albanians (from albania), not to mention middle easter volunteers are fighting against Serbs in Kosovo. Countless stories, reports and videos of Croats at the side of Albanians.
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Old 03-20-2007, 10:06 AM   #47 (permalink)
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There will be another war. Kosovo cannot survive without Southern Serbia as its territory. NATO is trying to get out. Once they're gone, the Kosovo Albanians will try another insurrection into Southern Serbia, sparking that war.
Hi Collonel! I am trying to understand what you said and looked at the Kosovo map.... road map shows that there is little communications to Albania and there are some to Macedonia... Mountains devide Kosovo and Albania but between Serbia and Kosovo plains.... do you mean that in isolation Kosovo will not surivive and would need to fight to reunite Southern Serbia?

Can you ellaborate this?
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Old 03-20-2007, 11:06 AM   #48 (permalink)
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Maybe I'll try to elaborate this.
Once NATO go out, the Albanians start a new war in the Southern Serbia, the Serbian army comes and digs in the half of Albanians in the earth. Another half of Albanians begins to live peacefully.
Not the best scenario, but not the worst. Some people would like that. Of course this would be possible if NATO doesn't meddle and doesn't prohibit to establish this new, happy and peaceful life.

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Old 03-20-2007, 12:30 PM   #49 (permalink)
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A common enemy at the terror level will not stop any of those Europeans from starting a genocidic march. Do you actually think the combined armies of the Kosovo Albanians and Albania itself is a match for the Serbs? Never mind the Russians.
Colonel,

What bothers is not the Army, but jihadis.

The Islamic fundamentalist were also involved in the war in the Balkans.

Therefore, to help their brethern, nothing is impossible!

If the US cannot stand up to the jihadis, what can any other nation imagine that they can do to stem the jihadis?

So, the jihadis, to my mind, are the real problem.
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Old 03-20-2007, 13:49 PM   #50 (permalink)
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But didn't a similar entity, Bosnia, manage to politically break away, despite the price they had to pay?
The Croats won Bosnia with their Krajina action. Even today, the power blocs are the Serbs and the Croat-Muslim Federation. I'll let you figure out who the minority group is.

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Russia and Europe will never allow mullahs a military foothold in Europe. They may infact end up encouraging another Milosevic
Encouraging? No, they'll do it themselves. Putin did in Chechnya what Milosevic failed in Yugoslavia

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Can you ellaborate this?
Kosovo is not economically viable without South Serbia.

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So, the jihadis, to my mind, are the real problem.
Sir, the Russians and by extension the East Europeans got more to teach the jihadis about terror. State terrorism is far more ruthless. An estimated 100,000 Chechens have died from exposure.
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Old 03-20-2007, 16:46 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Kosovo economy depends on drugs and contrabands first of all. I really doubt that the people that make decisions in the Kosovo authorities are so high in the sense of their intellect to realise the consequences of economic policy and think about real modern economy for Kosovo. As the Chechen experience shows, bandits always remain bandits, even wearing a civil suit, having presidential regaliums, inventing different high state and military titles etc. In fact any their "government" is just a bandits' meeting, their "economy" - drugs, robbery, kidnapping and slavery, their "army" - gangsters' band as the best, as the worst - a terrorist cell. And these people won't think about economy, never. They live in another system of values. Simply mentality is not suitable.
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Old 03-21-2007, 02:51 AM   #52 (permalink)
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If Kosovo gains indipendence, does that mean RS could do the same and break away from FBiH ?

Maybe this is the cause why Russia is so against indipendent Kosovo (due to the Checnya situation) ? i doubt they are only against it JUST to help Serbs, I'm pretty sure they have their own interests.
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Old 03-21-2007, 07:57 AM   #53 (permalink)
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Maybe this is the cause why Russia is so against indipendent Kosovo (due to the Checnya situation) ? i doubt they are only against it JUST to help Serbs, I'm pretty sure they have their own interests.
Chechnya situation is not similar to Kosovo. Chechen war is over, all gangster leaders are killed, there are all authorities bodies created, there is the Chechen parliament, security forces control the territory. Sometimes some ill-wishers bark a little abroad and amongst our pro-american politicians but this is not essential.
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Old 03-21-2007, 09:03 AM   #54 (permalink)
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btw, Mr. First how do you rate Ramzan Kadyrov ? (I´m not trying to irritate you , it´s just that the stories about this character are quite horrifiying , and I´d like to get a view from other side as well)
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Old 03-21-2007, 10:51 AM   #55 (permalink)
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btw, Mr. First how do you rate Ramzan Kadyrov ? (I´m not trying to irritate you , it´s just that the stories about this character are quite horrifiying , and I´d like to get a view from other side as well)
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Did not read wikipedia to say that Ramzon is indeed a butcher... problem is that Chechnya is much more radical than Kosovo would ever be.... it is more comparable to Iraq....

Hence Russia chose something which I see workable for Iraq... they installed a SOB who is guarding their interests.... for a while. The problem with Ramzan that you must have a plan how to get rid of him once he is not needed
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btw, Mr. First how do you rate Ramzan Kadyrov ? (I´m not trying to irritate you , it´s just that the stories about this character are quite horrifiying , and I´d like to get a view from other side as well)
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Braindead,

Ramzan Kadyrov is the same kind of wild bastard like almost all his tribesmen. But he is a leader of the most powerful clan in Chechnya and that's all. Besides, he and his family (clan) supports Putin's policy and there are personal relations between them. I suppose Putin would prefer to deliver from this ally, but he can't. So he leaves this problem to next president.
And this is a problem already now, Garry is right.
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Ok thanks for both of you for quick answers! I´m just wondering what would be his end.....
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Old 03-28-2007, 11:26 AM   #58 (permalink)
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Braindead,

Ramzan Kadyrov is the same kind of wild bastard like almost all his tribesmen. But he is a leader of the most powerful clan in Chechnya and that's all. Besides, he and his family (clan) supports Putin's policy and there are personal relations between them. I suppose Putin would prefer to deliver from this ally, but he can't. So he leaves this problem to next president.
And this is a problem already now, Garry is right.
I agree, unfortunatelly democratic rule in Chechnya is ABSOLUTELLY unrealistic assumption..... country can be rulled by some rude dictator.... so Putin installed one who is playing his SOB.

Same with Iraq.... only a brutal bastard can keep it together.... so USA better look for somebody Saddam like but pro-american. I never visited Iraq, not spoke to iraqi but the more I hear and see that more I come to conclusion - Democratic Iraq is a unrealistic dream.... better to understand that earlier than later. You need your SOB

ps. Sorry Lunatock. I know you like Chechens .... I myself also sorry for this poor nation which has suffered so much..... but I see no other alternatives for them at this point of time. Chechen independence is not sustainable and this is proven.... they simply don't have popular and reasonable leader nor state traditions to be independent. Chechens NEED Russians.

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Colonel,

Chechans are no better than Putin.

Putin is a lamb compared to the Chechans.

They are equally, if not more, ruthless.

Like Remember the Alamo, one must also Remember Beslan!

After Beslan, I have no more sympathies for them.

To take their fight onto children is the most depraved act of any person, organisation or movement.

Disgracefully criminal!
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Old 03-29-2007, 04:04 AM   #60 (permalink)
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The Chechens are liked only those people that live far from them. People that have to touch with Chechens in real life mostly hate this "poor nation". Russians, Greeks, Armenians, Georgians, Dagestan peoples, Ossetians, even Ingushes and all their neighbours hate Chechens. "This poor nation which has suffered so much", causes identical feelings of people of different nations and religions.
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