jjacobs43

Let me clue YOU in on something...the Brookings institution is NOT a group with an agenda other than gathering data and analysing it. I am going to take their word over anything Bush says in his SOTUA any day - are you serious that I should take that as a reliable sourec?! Just because you want to roll over and believe the propaganda doesn't make it so. Any data you find that doesn't support your beliefs you just right off as some kind of liberal media that's out to get your precious president.

highsea

^^^ Your link was UNRELATED to the argument you were trying to make.

You were arguing that the Bush admin wasn't living up to the claim that they had tripled AIDS support since Clinton (which they have, as I have proved).

FACT: In the last 3 years, the number of people getting AIDS drugs in Africa has increased from 50,000 to 800,000.

The Brookings report you cited was addressing Humanitarian Aid in toto, not AIDS relief.

So once again you have failed to support your assertions. This is getting to be a habit with you.

Lose the doubletalk and get a clue...

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dalem

You know, I'm about to get another warning. I am sick and tired of empty-scroted yahoos like yourself telling me what I think, why I think it, and how it's wrong, so go smoke a turd.

My opinion of John Kerry is based on listening to his droning speeches, watching his awful campaigning, and reading his pedantic drivel.

Right, I interpreted his words differently than you so now I'm unreasonable and illogical. At least you haven't compared me to Hitler yet.

Absolutely correct. Which is why I never made that connection. I know Kerry has contempt for the people in the armed forces because he always casts them in a negative light in his talk and speeches.


-dale

jjacobs43

I've spoken in a frustrated manner but have tried to keep the insults to a general group of people (i.e. conservatives - fair or not) instead of calling anybody out specifically. I don't really appreciate begin called clueless. I also, don't want to get into a pissing match about how much money we've sent to Africa. I'm going off of interviews I've heard on NPR and have read from various sources. I will do more research when I get a chance and post what I find. If I am wrong about this issue then great. But, if I do find the data that confirms what I've heard in interviews, I hope you'll take the time to read it and not blow it off ans Bush bashing.

Parihaka

Wow, the Amazing Kreskin, you really are old.

Parihaka

Naughty Dalem. Naughty naughty









will that do?

Parihaka

A wee bit of entirely friendly advice, us libertarian types generally like to check our facts at source before we post

Ray

The easiest way to win an argument is to get the other guy wild!

He has got you hot under the collar.

It is only logical arguments that win an issue being debated.

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Dreadnought

Should probably? But its ok that he says this about the U.S. troops and ofcourse uses the same method of madness that Bush's policy this that and every thing wrong? I find it funny how you can openly critisize Bush but yet "sweep" Kerry's moronic antics under the rug. And Clintons do nothing about this problem stance. Clinton knew alot more then you choose to believe about this problem and did zero before it came to this.
Yeah Clinton was a great president sure, whatever. And say Bush knew this and that but yet a demorcrat held that office but months before him. But I guess slick Willy left that foreign policy office nice and clean huh? ********!

And, I'm sorry, but we have had some soldiers "terrorize" Iraqi civilians. Sometimes the truth sucks, but that doesn't mean it should be swept under the rug.

Funny,name one open conflict that the U.S. or any other nations military was involved in that this could not be said about since the Demorcrats became so "politically correct"? Its only "terrorizing" when its a Republican is running the show huh? And only intellectual when its a democrat in office go figure.

Kerry and Clinton belong together.A great set up strategy Clinton dumps this **** on Bush and Kerry their to criticise the way he handles it but yet he still isint the president. Both Demorcrats. Kerry has spent the last few years critisizing not only a sitting president from foreign soil but our troops as well.

And this is a man that you want to command those troops? The reason Kerry wasnt elected was because everybody saw through his ******** smokescreen and knew him to be an idiot and a spin master.


And, I'm sorry, but we have had some soldiers "terrorize" Iraqi civilians. Sometimes the truth sucks, but that doesn't mean it should be swept under the rug.

I'd very much like to see YOU put boots on the ground and see what your view of that above statement is then? Then you will know what "terror" is.

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Shek

He stated that they weren't educated - certainly not a compliment.

For someone who served in Vietnam, why would he then go to lengths to try and discredit those who served in Vietnam during the winter soldier hearings? For his own self-interest and advancement. There's no doubt that there are grains of truth to his statements, but he went far beyond just exposing specific incidents - no, he implicated all through his generalities.

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jjacobs43

I assure you that I wasn't trying to win an argument by "getting the other guy wild". I just got defensive and frustrated by what seems so obvious to me. My posts tend to get short and sloppy when I'm in that kind of state and are not worded very well. This is exactly why I stayed off this site for a couple of years. I had hoped to come back and somehow be a small voice for people on the left and to challenge my beleifs by examining in detail the claims of others but things just move way to fast around here - especially when you're in the minority. I am obviously not cut out for this type of environment.

I apologize to anybody I offended and/or aggravated with my comments. I'll leave you guys alone. Good luck with things.

highsea

So you come to an overwhelmingly conservative board and start insulting conservatives, and you don't think you will get a response. Lol. You're breaking my heart.
It was the kindest description I could come up with at the time.
Then why did you go off on that tangent? (post #36 where you denied that AIDS funding have been delivered as stated)
You won't find to many NPR fans on this board. As Pari said, around here we tend to check our data at the source. Talk facts and you will get reasoned discussion. Spew democratic party line talking points and you will get ripped to pieces.

Your choice.

Bluesman

Still feel like challenging anybody else, jake?

DANG, that was FUNNY, shek.

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dalem

I reigned it in after I thought about it.

To quote Mal in Firefly: "See how I'm not punching him? I think I've grown."

By the way, anyone who hasn't watched the Firefly series is cheating themselves of 13 episodes of yummy sci-fi Western fun.

-dale