Pakistan is safe as an Islamic republic: Mush

Jay · 01-11-2007, 16:34 PM

Pakistan is safe as an Islamic republic: Mush
[ 11 Jan, 2007 1517hrs ISTIANS ]
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ISLAMABAD: Projecting his country as a bulwark against the spread of radical Islam, President Pervez Musharraf stressed that Pakistan must unite and address the challenge of sectarianism, "not just for the country's security, but for the entire Muslim world".

"If we do not get our act together, there could be a sectarian catastrophe in the Muslim world ... we would not only damage ourselves internally but the Islamic world as well which looks towards Pakistan to play a leading role in the current turmoil and sectarian strife," the president said, while addressing the 24th Convocation of the Army Medical College (AMC) here on Wednesday.

His observations are in keeping with the current policy of "enlightened moderation" wherein he has introduced laws to give a better deal to women in socio-economic matters like rape and adultery.

He wants to project what his government calls "a soft image" of Pakistan that has been perceived as the country that hosted the extremist Taliban regime in neighbouring Afghanistan and continues to host its remnants.

Pakistani nationals held for five years for their suspected Al-Qaida links are being released from Guantanamo Bay prison by the US. Quite a few Pakistanis, including those settled in the US, Britain and Canada, have been detained for their suspected involvement in acts of international terrorism.

Musharraf has also been campaigning against the conservatives and the clergy at home, challenging their right to speak for the religion. Last week, he told a gathering - "I am the real Muslim".

He has promised a general election by the year-end and urged the people to vote against extremists. Analysts also see this as part of his campaign to seek a second presidential term.

Musharraf emphasised that Pakistan could only contribute to the Islamic societies and the global community "if we achieve internal strength", The Daily Times reported.

Those trying to divide society on sectarian lines must be rejected, for society could implode "if we do not rectify the situation now", Musharraf was quoted as saying.

He said Pakistan must rise to the challenge and "resolve the turmoil in the world as it also affects Pakistan and Muslim states".

Musharraf said religion was being made an issue in Pakistan, with some claiming that Islam was in danger in the country. Rejecting the notion, he said Pakistan was "safe as an Islamic republic".
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I need the same stuff that Mushy's smoking. Right, the whole Islamic worls is looking up on Pakistan to contain sectarianism, while he wisely ignored the Shia killings inside Pakistan. But I guess you have to give it to him, he can flawlessly fool the public.

Srirangan · 01-11-2007, 23:51 PM

Correction: I think he not only ignored but instead carried out Shia killings in PoK.

Ray · 01-12-2007, 04:10 AM

Musharraf is like a weather co-ck!

Asim Aquil · 01-12-2007, 04:30 AM

Pak is the only Muslim country that is moving towards modernization of thought and keeping Islam alive as well. Turkey tried something similar but faced harsh criticism even from their moderates because they almost went anti-Islamic on certain issues to preserve their Euro image.

Pak is doing nothing like that and yet making it all work, bit by bit. A lot of credit for that goes to Musharraf. I mean the transformation literally kicked off once Musharraf came to the scene.

It's almost like a revival or a modern day version of the way past Muslim government's were. For their time period, the Muslims were the most tolerant, culturally rich, innovative and artistic.

Muslim societies are often considered harsh and rigid. And here we have Pakistan which has no actually started to feel proud of its new found flexibility and wishes project that as much as possible.

In most countries theres a stalemate between conservatives and liberals with the center holding very little ground. In Pakistan it wasn't different either, but nowadays the conservatives are losing ground, not to the liberals but to the centrists.

The war in terror is a flawed concept. It hardly attacks the real thing. The ideology of terror. In Pakistan as the years of this fruitless war go on, we are more and more convinced that the real way to deal this is to tackle the terror not goto war with it. The way we tackle is, we convert their ideology.

No one here can deny that it has worked in Pakistan and that in these years it has become a big ideological attack on terror.

MarquezRazor · 01-12-2007, 04:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Asim Aquil

The way we tackle is, we convert their ideology.

What ideology do you convert them to?

Thats a joke.

Asim Aquil · 01-12-2007, 05:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarquezRazor

What ideology do you convert them to?

Thats a joke.

One of making religion work with tolerance, freedom and equality?

Ray · 01-12-2007, 05:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Asim Aquil

One of making religion work with tolerance, freedom and equality?

Amen!

Or Amin!

But not in our lifetime!

Archer · 01-12-2007, 05:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Asim Aquil

One of making religion work with tolerance, freedom and equality?

The joke is what you are claiming Pak is doing, versus what it is actuallydoing.

Ray · 01-12-2007, 07:59 AM

Quote:

Student challenges church in university

PESHAWAR: A student on Thursday challenged the construction of a church in Peshawar University at the Peshawar High Court (PHC), saying that the church’s construction inside a Muslims’ institute would trigger sectarian anger. Masood Khan, a Peshawar University student, submitted the writ petition through Advocate Khurshid Khan under Article 199 of the Constitution. The student claimed that a church in the university was un-Islamic and that it would fan sectarianism. He requested the PHC to stop the church’s construction. The Peshawar University vice chancellor issued a notification for the construction of the church after Chief Minister Akram Durrani laid the foundation stone for the construction of the United Church at a ceremony on December 19, 2006, at the campus. akhtar amin
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default...2-1-2007_pg1_9

Indeed it is a good example of modernisation of thought that is underway in Pakistan under their enlightened leader, as I understand from various posts ever since I joined WAB!

The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak?!

MarquezRazor · 01-12-2007, 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Asim Aquil

Pak is the only Muslim country that is moving towards modernization of thought and keeping Islam alive as well.

So I guess those two are antagonistic of each other?

MarquezRazor · 01-12-2007, 08:48 AM

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Protest against start of music classes in varsity

By Amir Mir, Correspondent

Lahore: The student wing of Jamaat-e-Islami Pakistan Islami Jamiat Talaba (IJT) has intensified its protest campaign against the start of music classes in Punjab University.

It is pressing the Punjab Governor, who is also the chancellor of the university, to reverse the decision as it was un-Islamic and against the ideology of Pakistan.

A large number of the IJT activists distributed leaflets outside the varsity mosque in the Old and New Campus of the University on Friday and Saturday and raised slogans against the varsity administration for starting MA Music classes in the varsity.

The pamphlet reads that due to the Punjab governor's secular agenda, boys and girls would sit together in the music classes. The PU administration has already announced the admission schedule for its most controversial master's level programme, MA Musicology, thereby inviting the wrath of the IJT activists who have been staging protests inside the university premises on a daily basis against the decision.

The IJT activists say they would not allow MA Musicology in the varsity because it was against Islam and the ideology of Pakistan.

According to the president of the IJT's Punjab University chapter Salman Ayub, the protest campaign against the controversial programme and distribution of handbills would continue until the university administration withdrew its decision.

He said IJT would aggressively and openly oppose music and other performing arts classes in the university. He said the universities were supposed to be centres of research but unfortunately the Punjab University administration was promoting "Western culture" and "unhealthy activities" in the campus.

Interestingly, the Punjab University Academic Staff Association (PUASA) is also criticising the varsity administration for starting admissions to the MA Music classes.

According to the PUASA President Prof Dr Mumtaz Salik, the Association would oppose "negative activities" like music, drama and acting in the university.

"The university administration should have to come up with proper justification before starting these courses," he added.

http://archive.gulfnews.com/articles.../10066636.html

Srirangan · 01-12-2007, 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ray

Indeed it is a good example of modernisation of thought that is underway in Pakistan under their enlightened leader, as I understand from various posts ever since I joined WAB!

The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak?!

Spirit is deceiving and the flesh is sold.

Asim Aquil · 01-12-2007, 10:49 AM

They'll demand what their preconceived notions about Islam make them. However subjugation and separation of society is not the path to progress. People like that student, needs to be defeated. There's nothing wrong in having a place of worship for Christian students when I'm damn sure they have a place of worship for Muslim students within the University.

Srirangan · 01-12-2007, 10:52 AM

>> However subjugation and separation of society is not the path to progress.

However Islam over the years has done just that. So is Pakistan's very existence, based on separation and hate and of course perceived notions of purity.

--

As per myself, I wish the university be free of religion. Religion, state, judiciary and education need to be separate.

Asim Aquil · 01-12-2007, 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ray

Indeed it is a good example of modernisation of thought that is underway in Pakistan under their enlightened leader, as I understand from various posts ever since I joined WAB!

The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak?!

The University still publicizes the laying of the foundation for the church on its website. A petitioner, is but a petitioner.

http://www.upesh.edu.pk/news.php?news_id=171

01-11-2007, 16:34 PM	#1 (permalink)
Jay Tamizhanban *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 08-06-03 Location: Edison, NJ Posts: 6,497 Country:	Pakistan is safe as an Islamic republic: Mush Pakistan is safe as an Islamic republic: Mush [ 11 Jan, 2007 1517hrs ISTIANS ] RSS Feeds\| SMS NEWS to 8888 for latest updates ISLAMABAD: Projecting his country as a bulwark against the spread of radical Islam, President Pervez Musharraf stressed that Pakistan must unite and address the challenge of sectarianism, "not just for the country's security, but for the entire Muslim world". "If we do not get our act together, there could be a sectarian catastrophe in the Muslim world ... we would not only damage ourselves internally but the Islamic world as well which looks towards Pakistan to play a leading role in the current turmoil and sectarian strife," the president said, while addressing the 24th Convocation of the Army Medical College (AMC) here on Wednesday. His observations are in keeping with the current policy of "enlightened moderation" wherein he has introduced laws to give a better deal to women in socio-economic matters like rape and adultery. He wants to project what his government calls "a soft image" of Pakistan that has been perceived as the country that hosted the extremist Taliban regime in neighbouring Afghanistan and continues to host its remnants. Pakistani nationals held for five years for their suspected Al-Qaida links are being released from Guantanamo Bay prison by the US. Quite a few Pakistanis, including those settled in the US, Britain and Canada, have been detained for their suspected involvement in acts of international terrorism. Musharraf has also been campaigning against the conservatives and the clergy at home, challenging their right to speak for the religion. Last week, he told a gathering - "I am the real Muslim". He has promised a general election by the year-end and urged the people to vote against extremists. Analysts also see this as part of his campaign to seek a second presidential term. Musharraf emphasised that Pakistan could only contribute to the Islamic societies and the global community "if we achieve internal strength", The Daily Times reported. Those trying to divide society on sectarian lines must be rejected, for society could implode "if we do not rectify the situation now", Musharraf was quoted as saying. He said Pakistan must rise to the challenge and "resolve the turmoil in the world as it also affects Pakistan and Muslim states". Musharraf said religion was being made an issue in Pakistan, with some claiming that Islam was in danger in the country. Rejecting the notion, he said Pakistan was "safe as an Islamic republic". ------------------------------ I need the same stuff that Mushy's smoking. Right, the whole Islamic worls is looking up on Pakistan to contain sectarianism, while he wisely ignored the Shia killings inside Pakistan. But I guess you have to give it to him, he can flawlessly fool the public. __________________ A grain of wheat eclipsed the sun of Adam !!

01-11-2007, 23:51 PM	#2 (permalink)
Srirangan *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 08-06-04 Location: New Delhi Posts: 3,030 Country:	Correction: I think he not only ignored but instead carried out Shia killings in PoK. __________________ I rant, therefore I am.

01-12-2007, 04:10 AM	#3 (permalink)
Ray Postmaster General *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-20-03 Posts: 28,276 Country:	Musharraf is like a weather co-ck! __________________ "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination." I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to. HAKUNA MATATA

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Asim Aquil Banished *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 06-11-04 Location: Dubai Posts: 8,135 Country:	Pak is the only Muslim country that is moving towards modernization of thought and keeping Islam alive as well. Turkey tried something similar but faced harsh criticism even from their moderates because they almost went anti-Islamic on certain issues to preserve their Euro image. Pak is doing nothing like that and yet making it all work, bit by bit. A lot of credit for that goes to Musharraf. I mean the transformation literally kicked off once Musharraf came to the scene. It's almost like a revival or a modern day version of the way past Muslim government's were. For their time period, the Muslims were the most tolerant, culturally rich, innovative and artistic. Muslim societies are often considered harsh and rigid. And here we have Pakistan which has no actually started to feel proud of its new found flexibility and wishes project that as much as possible. In most countries theres a stalemate between conservatives and liberals with the center holding very little ground. In Pakistan it wasn't different either, but nowadays the conservatives are losing ground, not to the liberals but to the centrists. The war in terror is a flawed concept. It hardly attacks the real thing. The ideology of terror. In Pakistan as the years of this fruitless war go on, we are more and more convinced that the real way to deal this is to tackle the terror not goto war with it. The way we tackle is, we convert their ideology. No one here can deny that it has worked in Pakistan and that in these years it has become a big ideological attack on terror.

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Asim Aquil Banished *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 06-11-04 Location: Dubai Posts: 8,135 Country:	They'll demand what their preconceived notions about Islam make them. However subjugation and separation of society is not the path to progress. People like that student, needs to be defeated. There's nothing wrong in having a place of worship for Christian students when I'm damn sure they have a place of worship for Muslim students within the University.

01-12-2007, 10:52 AM	#14 (permalink)
Srirangan *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 08-06-04 Location: New Delhi Posts: 3,030 Country:	>> However subjugation and separation of society is not the path to progress. However Islam over the years has done just that. So is Pakistan's very existence, based on separation and hate and of course perceived notions of purity. -- As per myself, I wish the university be free of religion. Religion, state, judiciary and education need to be separate.

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