Ray

Khalsa Starr,

Quite a dreamer, aren't you?

Please note Sikhs of India don't require anyone to 'improve their lives'. They do it themselves - all the time. Note: even a Nihang who gets some 'assistance' doesn't take it in his hand. He whips out his 'kirpan' waves it around in a symbloic fight and then takes it from the table or whatever, but never from the hand i.e. never begs to improve his lot or takeas anything free.

Maybe Sikhs of your type would deviate.

Please don't demean the Sikhs.

Ray

Haven't you heard of a ticketless Nihang on the train? It came out a few years back in the newspaper.

This NIhang got into the train and was sitting on his horse.

The Ticket Collector came and asked him for the ticket for himself and his horse (of course the TT was wild that there was a horse in a passenger bogey).

The Nihang calmly informed that he was not travelling on the train. He was travelling on his horse.

In so far as the horse was concerned, it belonged to God. Therefore, the TT could ask God as to where is the horse's ticket.

Note: did not beg.

Khalsa_starr

i'm more like an optomist, and what's wrong with helping people, i suppose your against that too. Iwant help my fellow sikhs in the future when i have the resources, it may not stop people from wanting kalistan, but it would sure help to make their lives better.

And it woudn't be for free, nothing ios free, i don't believe in chairty much, i believe in long term improvments.

What's you plan Ray? Thought so...

Rahul

KhalsaStarr, in Canada, is the gov't required to "improve the lives of the Quebecois"? The answer is a resounding "no" as the gov't is required to govern (hence the word "govern-ment"), not give handouts. If you want Punjab to be a welfare state, you're free to feel that way but from what I've seen and know of Sikhs, they seem to be the independent hard-working types who improve their situation, not act like lazy communists and beg the gov't for handouts. On infrastructure, that is paid for by taxes and can be built by the national or state or local level gov'ts. If roads are needed, the state level gov't should provide it. Or, the national gov't might step in if a national highway is being built through Punjab. As it is, Punjab has benefitted greatly from things like the Green Revolution. It's quite well off compared to other states in India, though since you are Canadian it could be that you are comparing it to your own standard of living. In that case, you are making the mistake of not realizing that India, and all parts of India including Punjab, aren't as developed as first world nations like Canada and the US. Instead of being "looked after", what Punjab needs is a nice tax break for businesses and an improvement of roads, power, and telecommunications, all combined with courting foreign and domestic companies in various industries to attract more investment. From the looks of things, they've been doing that.

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Khalsa_starr

But i'm not the governemnt - what i would be doing is trying to add on, or build onto what is alreadt there. Encouraging businesses to start up, bulding homes for cramed or homeless people. For free? no, the people who get these benifits will have to work it of. I want to do a survey in amritsar one of these years and find out if they would work to improve their lives somehow, instead of getting it for free.

There has to some people who are not looked after well, or feel down because they don't have work. Lets help these people, not chairty.

Rahul

Oh, okay, i see what you mean now. My bad. Sounds plenty honorable. Good luck to you in doing that.

Khalsa_starr

no blame on you, i haven't exactly been explaining myslef very wellthese days. Perhaps i'll show you a diagram of what my "work for benifits" theory is about.

The first thing that needs to be done first is a survey and study of the needs and wants of the people of punjab. Perhaps my plans will inspire others to fallow, or not...

Aryan

Here's a map of punjab during british times. What is now known as UP and Haryana are clearly marked as part of Punjab. Altering state borders and creating the two new states was just an attempt to reduce the voice of Sikhs in their own state...

Ray

Thanks for the map of Punjab.

The fact that you had to bring out this map of the British era may authenticate that Pakistani is the creator of Khalistan. Imagine, a Pakistani had to help these babes in the wood who are championing Khalistan! It does show that without Pakistani help, they are quite at sea.

Of course, I am not saying you are behind Khalistan.

Like everything that is bogus and imagined about this Kahlistan movement which is but an avatar of the ISI and Paksitan, the idea that UP is in Punjab in the map that you have displayed is another bogus contention.

It is recommended that Khalistani daydreams (assisted by Pakistan) should be kept within the confine of the 'Khalistan' between the ears and not displayed to prove lack of knowledge, if not, education. It would be worthwhile to do some homework before rushing to the 'press'!

I think it would be a better idea to give away Pakitani Punjab since this map show its as a part of Punjab.

Ray

Sorry, I could not decipher this English. Do elaborate.

Are you asking my plan? Did I mention one? What did you think so?

Rahul

Ray, he is implying that you are attacking his plans while you have no alternative ideas or plans to offer.

Ray, this whole Khalistan business is BS because Pakistan will never give up all of the territory it now owns that once belonged to Ranjit Singh (including his old capital at Lahore!)

lemontree

Aryan,
The Khalistani demand is for the land as per the Sikh Empire of Ranjit Singh, and not as per British maps. The British included the Cis-Sutluj and areas also in Punjab due to demographic reasons. The rest of India was devided as the Bengal, Madras and Bombay Presidencies for administrative purposes, it means nothing for "khalistan".
Anyway, the map shown by you is from the 1909, by that logic Pakistan was part of India and we should annex it back

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Khalsa_starr

I'll have to say it again, i do sympathise with people who want Khalistan, however, i personaly don't think it's needed. We'd have to come under considerable oppresion before i would support it. I have dreams of Khalistan, but those are just dreams. You know how that works

Ray...
It seems like your the "smart" one here on this topic, whats your plans??

Rahul

I think on this thread or one of the other useless ones that Sher started to prove that "khalistan" exists between his ears, Shere mentioned how Punjab CM Amarindar Singh was unpopular and had no support from the people and was Delhi's puppet and so on. Take a look at this article about a survey on the popularity of CMs in their respective states! Amarindar Singh is the second most popular CM in India!!

http://us.rediff.com/news/2005/feb/07survey.htm

Karthik

Dharam Singh happens to be the 6th best. And poor Rabri comes last !

How she ever got to be on that list when she's no better than a concussed troll.......

In the meantime, Khalsa keeps us waiting by not citing a credible instance of oppression on his part.

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