Ray

I don't hate Bush or like Kerry or vice versa.

Yet, I expect a level playing field. Further what I find extraordinary is that if you find someone not agreeing with your ideas, you condemn the guy outright. If Kerry was that bad, then he shouldn't have been a Senator. If he has fudged then he should not have got his three Purple Hearts. If he fudged, he should have been court martialled. Don't tell me that the American society and the US Military is that gullible or blind or that slow that they wake up after more than a decade!Prima facie, it does not appear so.

I heard Gen Tony Zinni on BBC. He gave the impression that while he was a Republican, he wasn't too sold on the neo cons, though the US Army was good and then achieved what they had been told to do. Therefore to feel that the US Army was fooled four times in the case of Kerry that is too difficult to swallow.

Flying an aircraft is as dangerous as driving a car. Flying in combat is challenging. Flying in mainland US vs a tenure in Vietnam is no comparison as far as the danger element goes. I have flown very regularly in aircraft and helicopters. It is as risky as driving a car. If it weren't so, then people would go by train!

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"Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."

I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.

HAKUNA MATATA

Ray

I would not classify flying in NORAD as more important or dangerous than Vietnam, where the US national prestige was involved and to prevent it from being bashed around by emaciated, impoverished, hungry Vietnamese.

I wonder if Bush's type of pilots are still in NORAD. Couldn't the WTC not happen had there been competent pilots over the US skies? There is always adequate fighters and bombers on alert and in the skies. There is a whole lot on electronic gadgetry that no other nation can even dream of. But if the man behind the machines is a rich man's son out on 'avoiding' combat duties, things bad can happen.

I personally like Bush and so this is my last post since I am only letting off steam because you guys are not being fair. Be fair, dont bash with partisan vengenace. The only Bash I know in the US is Dana Bash of the CNN who reports from Washington.

Anon

Considering that over 10% of the Delta Dagger force was lost in accidents- in training- i don't think i can agree with it being termed a safe aircraft.

It was at the time a cutting edge jet at the edge of the envelope. A lot of good men died in those airplanes.

Kerry served in the USN, not in the army.

HawkEye

Well Sniper I guess we will have tp agree to disagree on this and from reading your posts here on most other issues in life as well.
I have read many of your posts here and from what I can see you are just full of BS on most every issue. Jack of all Trades.... Master of none kind of thing.

As far a the "lawyer" you claim you talked to on a BB..... If indeed you did serve in the Military which from your posts here I doubt (Seeing how you thought an EOD Badge as an Airborne Badge and then tried to lie your way out of it) You would know that Military Law is very different then Civilian Law.

Keep plugging away though.... I unlike you still hold a United States Military ID Card and will until the day the United States Army plants my body in the ground.
I also work for the United States Department of Veterans Affairs.... and will until the VA can make my legs work again so I can jump back in the game and fight with my brothers in arms once again.
So I will be stopping back in here from time to time to read up on your work.... and see if I can help out with anything.

But if in fact I am wrong about you serving at one time in the United States Military.... (I have been wrong before in my lifetime and freely admit it and will be wrong again)...... I can say in all truthfulness that I do feel safer knowing that you no longer have anything at all to do with the United States Military.




HawkEye

Anon

Wow, you got me all figured out.....

Not my fault you don't know **** about the A-10 and tried to get into a pissing match with a guy who happens to run the pre-eminent A-10 warthog site on the planet. In fact, if you follow the link i gave you www.a-10.org, there are dozens of military personell on that site that i know personally, who would all to gladly vouch for my identity. They've seen the army pix(as a matter of fact, i've posted my army pix here in the images section, and they are still there).

I will let OOE judge whether or not i am the real deal. I don't really give a flying duck what some REMF thinks. As far as the 'airborne' comments, i'd have thought you'd be up to speed on some cross-branch ribbing from a guy that used to wear crossed rifles, but i forgot REMFs also have no sense of humor. I know you were EOD, we discussed it when i asked you if you'd ever had to hump the M-82. Remember that?

It also comes as no shock to me that a REMF would be so full of himself that he'd think an ex grunt would even give a damn what a REMF insignia looks like. Don't see to many EOD REMFs in foxholes afterall. I don't know what a CID flash looks like either. Sue me.

Want a link to the laywer who thinks your wrong?

Here you go cuz....

http://p213.ezboard.com/fgpboardfrm2

It's no wonder the VA is so F'ed up, it has people like you running it. It was yokels like you that were all 'by the book' and up-tight that was one of the determining factors in me deciding to ETS in 1990.

As far as you posting here 'from time to time', don't count on it. Not only am i a former infantryman- i'm also a moderator here, and you've just been banned for insulting a moderator. Not allowed to do that at WAB, under any circumstances.

Go play with all the other high-speed low-drag REMFs. You're done here.

EDIT TO ADD: The gentleman from the other board served many years in the USN during the Vietnam war. He, like i, is fully aware of the differences between civilain law and the laws set forth under the UCMJ.

NOTE: In fairness, if you appologize for your remarks i will immediately unban you. The decision is yours. I may be reached at m21sniper2000@yahoo.com

Officer of Engineers

I'm sorry Hawkeye took this personal. It's damned simple. JAG would have determined if charges were warranted.

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Chimo

Ironduke

Like Lyndon Johnson's silver star?

Anon

There's no reason to start calling someone a liar and a fake when they don't buy into your logic Sir. It's a shame he couldn't maintain a professional level of discussion. I guess as a former NCO he has grown accustomed to people taking his **** without retort.

It has been my experience that when someone calls you a fake it is a clear indication that they've run out of facts and have to resort to bluster to cover their weak position.

Well, i'm gonna go polish my fake CIB now....

Anon

I never even knew Lyndon had a silver star. Sounds like an interesting story. Care to share the details ID?

ChrisF202

I belive M21 was in the military. He has told us about it and ive seen the pictures from his days, which I belive are in the pictures forum.

Anon

Unfortunately i havn't gotten any better looking than i was in those pictures.

I was hoping i'd age like a fine wine, but.........not happening.

LOL

Officer of Engineers

Whenever you get a chance to visit, I'll buy you a single malt scotch and trade war stories.

None of us are JAG and while we could argue the merits, none of us are expert enough to comment on the Marines' behaviours. Ultimately, JAG would decide whose right and whose wrong.

I don't agree with Hawkeye taking the high and mighty road. It's not his road to take. That's JAG's job. Let JAG decide.

Ray

To ban anyone is to prove one has LOST the argument.

I don't think Hawkeye was hopelessly wrong. He may not be prefect.

It is much better to to fight TRUTH with Myth. That is the acid test of DEMOCRACY.

Hawkeye could very well say GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH!

Must we give him Death from this Forum and say that we are weak and can't contest him word for word?

I am not an American and I am not afraid to face the truth. Even on Indian forums,
I can't say I am very welcomed!

I want the truth and I want to LEARN (even if the veiw irritates me).

DudBuster

I wont lose any sleep over it General that’s just the way things go.

This board that claims Military Discussion yet has kids who have not yet fought for the United States of America while the Nation is at War running the show and talking trash on those who have fought in Battle for America would cause regular disagreement.

It’s more like a mere Republican Discussion board but with kids….. but to each his own I say.


Oh and Ironduke on President Johnson and his Silver Star
Lyndon Baines Johnson
In 1935, Johnson became Texas administrator for the National Youth Administration. Two years later, he was elected to Congress as an all-out supporter of Franklin D. Roosevelt, and served until 1949. He was the first member of Congress to enlist in the armed forces after the attack on Pearl Harbor. He served in the navy in the Pacific and won a Silver Star.

He left his job in the United States Congress to enlist in the Navy after the United States of America was attacked by Japan.
I notice that you are of Military Age and live within the United States of America yet you seem to have time to run this board….. tell me have you signed up to fight in OIF yet? Or OEF? When do you ship out? Or have you already been?
You know that you have no right what so ever to talk trash on those who have fought in Combat unless you have been down that road yourself. Gio is still a bit young but his time will soon come up as well. If you have not already served in War you can hurry up get trained, fight, and be back by the time he is ready to ship out. That way you can give him some pointers on things before it’s his turn in the barrel.
Colonel I really didn’t see myself as taking the high and mighty road with my post but like I said before that is why you are a Colonel and I am not.
And I really do believe the world works best that way.

Chris, It could very well be that Sniper was in the Military I thought I made that clear in my post perhaps I was mistaken. Don’t believe too much of what you come across in cyberspace You are almost of Military age relax and enjoy yourself in a year or two you can join up and get the real scoop on things. You seem to have a good head on your shoulders don’t get it filled up with the useless junk you read on a BB now the real Military will just have to work that much harder emptying out what is either wrong….. or not needed and replacing it with things you will need to know to keep you and those around you alive on the Battlefield.

Sniper what can I say we just didn’t hit it off and it most likely will never work out


I see you have plenty of time running from board to board posting

http://forum.a-10.org/pop_profile.as...display&id=933

Even put up the post about Kerry and the Marines

http://forum.a-10.org/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6691

And if what you say is true about your Combat Infantry Badge well we fought together in Panama in 89 and 90. I was on the JTF for U.S. Army South for a few years and humped many parts of both Panama and Central/South America.
As far as REMF well if you can find the rear you will most likely find an EOD Detachment…. Do you know just where the rear is now days? Do you know what the mission is? Do you know where EOD goes to get the job done?
Do you know why EOD is not put in a foxhole? That’s because it cost too much money training a new Explosive Ordnance Disposal Tech…. but as they say money isn’t everything first you need to find someone who is willing and able to pass the school….. one of and IMO the hardest in the United States Army but if you don’t believe me look it up the United States Army will fill you in. EOD is also a Stop Loss job within the United States Army right now….. It seems EOD Techs are in very high demand.
And yet it makes me wonder….. I have asked the United States Army to ship me to where I can be of more use to America even in my wheel chair and have so far been told thanks but no thanks. I still hold out hope that the Army is holding me in reserve for the big fight coming up in Korea….. or until the VA gets my legs going again. Tell me are you defective in any way? Or is being a Repoman all you ever hoped for in life? Are you now maxed out and at the top of the mountain? Your skills are needed in Iraq and the Afghan OP.

Here I thought when I left being a Combat Engineer which by the way is Combat Arms to go EOD that I was taking a step up not a step back…. Sorry you do not see things that way but I doubt we can ever see Eye to Eye on anything…. Maybe someday I can become a Repoman.... and we will hit it off.
Myself and a few others will be keeping an eye on you around the hunts Sniper….. And I’ll keep reading the posts…. And your profiles as to what you do in life…. I really like the one here better then Repoman….. Contract Killer just sounds better don’t you think?



HawkEye

Officer of Engineers

Hawkeye,

My disagreement with you is that I'm not JAG. You're not JAG. I appreciate you feeling things should be the way things are. If it is the law that any American uniformed member should shut up in front of a sitting politician, then that's the law and I would have no problem enforcing it. However, there's now a dispute to your interruptation.

Would you trust two lawyers arguing over a dud? At this point, the best course is to wait for JAG to decide. I can appreciate you feeling the Marines should get a GCM but yours would not be the expertise I need to decide on charges. For that, I need JAG and what I'm asking you is wait and let JAG do JAG's job.