The lies of Michael Moore By Christopher Hitchens

Major_Armstrong · 06-28-2004, 22:14 PM

Unfairenheit 9/11
The lies of Michael Moore.
By Christopher Hitchens
Posted Monday, June 21, 2004, at 12:26 PM PT

Quote:

To describe this film as dishonest and demagogic would almost be to promote those terms to the level of respectability. To describe this film as a piece of crap would be to run the risk of a discourse that would never again rise above the excremental. To describe it as an exercise in facile crowd-pleasing would be too obvious. Fahrenheit 9/11 is a sinister exercise in moral frivolity, crudely disguised as an exercise in seriousness. It is also a spectacle of abject political cowardice masking itself as a demonstration of "dissenting" bravery.

http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723/

"...speaking here in my capacity as a polished, sophisticated European...
it seems to me the laugh here is on the polished, sophisticated
Europeans.

They think Americans are fat, vulgar, greedy, stupid, ambitious and
ignorant and so on. And they've taken as their own, as their representative
American...
someone who actually embodies all of those qualities."

- Christopher Hitchens

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin...mes;read=49290

Confed999 · 06-29-2004, 00:32 AM

I read the first one the other day. Good quote...

List · 06-29-2004, 01:07 AM

Hitchens commits many of the same crimes he accuses Moore of commiting. His article is very misleading when compared to the actual contents of the film. I would strongly recommend seeing the film before trusting Hitchens' comments about it.

Confed999 · 06-29-2004, 19:12 PM

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Originally Posted by List

Hitchens commits many of the same crimes he accuses Moore of commiting.

At no point does the author claim to be showing you a documentary either. Moore's movies and books have all been garbage so far, and I doubt this one is anything less than the same garbage. Moore is a propagandist, plain and simple, and he's laughing all the way to the bank... with your money in his pocket.

ChrisF202 · 06-29-2004, 22:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Confed999

At no point does the author claim to be showing you a documentary either. Moore's movies and books have all been garbage so far, and I doubt this one is anything less than the same garbage. Moore is a propagandist, plain and simple, and he's laughing all the way to the bank... with your money in his pocket.

Out of curiosity, how many movies has he made besides F911 and Bowling for Lies i mean Columbine

?

Ray · 06-29-2004, 23:01 PM

Our news reports that he makinga pile!

Confed999 · 06-30-2004, 00:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisF202

Out of curiosity, how many movies has he made besides F911 and Bowling for Lies i mean Columbine

?

He did the stupid "Roger and Me" movie, where they went and evicted people that supposedly were laid off from an auto plant. He never makes mention the Union's contribution to the situation, but that is his agenda. He did a similar flick while on a book tour, I think it was like "Big One" or something. Durring that one he made a big deal about allways riding on airliners and not private planes. He uses Time Warner's private plane to fly around when not filming though. He did other stuff, a TV show I remember. Some of that was funny, but it was the same "America sucks, let's be communists" poo he allways spews.

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Originally Posted by Ray

Our news reports that he makinga pile!

He would deserve it, if he put "based on a true story" on his movies instead of "documentary".

ChrisF202 · 07-01-2004, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Confed999

He did the stupid "Roger and Me" movie, where they went and evicted people that supposedly were laid off from an auto plant. He never makes mention the Union's contribution to the situation, but that is his agenda. He did a similar flick while on a book tour, I think it was like "Big One" or something. Durring that one he made a big deal about allways riding on airliners and not private planes. He uses Time Warner's private plane to fly around when not filming though. He did other stuff, a TV show I remember. Some of that was funny, but it was the same "America sucks, let's be communists" poo he allways spews.

He would deserve it, if he put "based on a true story" on his movies instead of "documentary".

Was that the movie where he claimed the only that the only person in town with a steady job was the sheriff's deputy who evicted people? I dont know how old the movie is, but the unemployment level in Genessee County, MI is 9.9% as of 2003, yeah thats alot, but im sure their is someplace else in the US where it is worse.

Confed999 · 07-01-2004, 17:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisF202

Was that the movie where he claimed the only that the only person in town with a steady job was the sheriff's deputy who evicted people?

I don't recall that exact statement, it's been years since I saw it, but it sounds like a Mooreism.

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Originally Posted by ChrisF202

the unemployment level in Genessee County, MI is 9.9% as of 2003, yeah thats alot, but im sure their is someplace else in the US where it is worse.

It is a hell of alot, but what is to be expected? Nobody wants to start a business where it's going to cost 50% more to do any business. Several of the contractors I work with, here in Florida, originally came from Michigan and California. It's all fine with me, we can use the jobs and economic perks.

Major_Armstrong · 07-02-2004, 12:06 PM

Moore is less.

06-29-2004, 00:32 AM	#2 (permalink)
Confed999 Staff Emeritus Join Date: 09-10-03 Location: Florida Posts: 10,681 Country:	I read the first one the other day. Good quote... __________________ No man is free until all men are free - John Hossack I agree completely with this Administration’s goal of a regime change in Iraq-John Kerry even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act-John Kerry He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It’s the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat-John Kerry

06-29-2004, 23:01 PM	#6 (permalink)
Ray Postmaster General *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-20-03 Posts: 27,292 Country:	Our news reports that he makinga pile! __________________ "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination." I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to. HAKUNA MATATA

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List Regular Join Date: 06-22-04 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 124	Hitchens commits many of the same crimes he accuses Moore of commiting. His article is very misleading when compared to the actual contents of the film. I would strongly recommend seeing the film before trusting Hitchens' comments about it.

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