Aryan

Damn! I missed this thread!

Ray

What I find amusing is that even if someone HATES George Bush, it seems he couldn't care a damn.

So EmGee, whats the answer? The bloke just couldn't care a damn! Funny chap, eh, old bean?

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eMGee

Wow, I didn't know that. Thanks for telling me.

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Leader

I'm sure there are good arguments as to why Turkey shouldn't be in the EU, however to reject them out of hand because they are outside an artificial continental line would seem unfair.

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Synikul

Unbelievable. Are people here still under the delusion that there are "good" Muslims, and "bad" Muslims, and that Islam is a religion of peace?

I'm an American, but I'd still rather not see Europe get over-run by muslims. In about 20 years, when the wrecking balls start hitting the old cathedrals, and mosques are built on the rubble, I won't get any pleasure out saying "See I told you so."

eMGee

I'm glad you feel with me Synikul, it's good to see that some Americans still care about Europe!

By the way, nice avatar

Confed999

We have a good Muslim here, on this board. I know quite a few Muslims, one is in the military fighting the war on terror, others have gone back to Iraq to help rebuild. Just like there are bad people everywhere, there are good people too, and usually the good outnumber the bad.

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Ironduke

I too would like to see Europe's cultural heritage preserved and not have itself overrun by non-natives, but the fact is, this isn't likely to happen.

For example, Algeria and Turkey, arguably Europe's largest source of immigrants, both have fertility rates below the replacement level. Iran is also below the replacement level. Saudi Arabia's fertility rate has crashed from 6.15 children/woman to 4.11 children/woman in just one year. Morocco's fertility rate will drop below the replacement level within 5 years.

eMGee

It is already happening!!

Ray

I wonder if there is anything called European culture. Its all sub nationalist cultures.

Even under the colonial imposition of their alien and equally 'detestable' culture, countries under the colonial 'yoke' , did not collapse when European's were 'bringing civilisation to the pagans' (even with the strict imposition of the colonial power with grave penalties for not adhering) . Thus, it is surprising that there is a hue and cry of European culture facing a deluge.

And I don't think any culture is so flimsy as to collapse like a pack of cards. Though I admit it pinches when it happens at 'home'.

Confed999

It seems that some areas have, but not many, and mostly isolated places. I am by no means an expert on Europe as I have only seen bits of the west, and north.

I don't feel there is an American culture, beyond what is in our founding documents and anthems. America is all cultures.

Ray

It is an interesting point. To the best of my understanding there is a difference between the cultures of Britian (which itself has Wesh, Scottish and English cultures) and French culture and both these cultures from the German culture and all these from the Slavs and everybody else from the Muslim Europeans and then the Greek culture being different and so on and so forth.

Therefore, I wonder if there is any cognisable commonality culturally in Europe to be termed as European culture. The commonality could be religion and that too has its divisions and there is no commonality in religion between the Christian European and the Moslem Europeans.

I will also admit that I am not expert on the subject, though would look forward to comments (maybe someone who is somewhat of an expert could start a thread).

Ironduke

Western civilization is made up of three core elements: Greco-Roman, Germanic, and Christian. All Western European cultures are a synthesis of the three. A few have a Celtic element as well.

Praxus

Western civilization is all based on Aristotle(well not as much anymore) and therefor based on the ancient greeks. At least philosophiclly.

Ironduke

Western civilization is not exclusively based on the civilization of the ancient Greeks.