gilgamesh

Absolutely right. Not only are quotas ineffective, but regressive. Same case in US or anywhere in west. Results are often heavily at the expense of rest of society, causing allround misery, for the giver and the reciever as well. I used to go to KV's in India where a laskar's son studies with an officer's son, so where was the discrimination? He(if an SC/ST) got the same education as I did, so why should he get quota? Btw, I am a shudra as well. The usual explantion is he has inferiority complex so he should be subsidised . And talk is cheap, would people supporting quotas go to a quota doctor(if they knew he was one) for treatment?

Tronic

Then why not use our tax money to open up free-education for low-income family schools??? That way, you're not harming the lives of some people to make others happy...

True.

Reservations make as much sense as putting a crappier player on the cricket team because he was too poor to afford cricket clubs... Better thing would be to make those facilities to try to make them compete with the rest of India; not to put them in place without competition with the rest.

The army recruits through Quotas???

What??? In what way are the poor competing through Quotas??? The purpose of the Quotas are so that the poor DON'T have to compete with the rest... SO instead of making the poor more competible, the government is just making sure, they don't have to compete with the rest.

You're saying discriminating the competent people as positive discrimination???

Don't need to; thats not our problem. Our problem are the quotas and reservations and we are and will continue to make noise against them. Some people have to learn to fight for their own problems rather then expect others to fight for them...

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Tronic

And I have no clue what Puddi means...

Jay

Thats exactly what they are doing, thats why we have govt schools. But the govt is not in a position to build specific universities for higer education, so you will have to compete with them.

Wrong analogy. Cricket is not life, one can survive with out playing cricket.
They do compete, albeit to a less extent. Their cutoffs are not drastically low as you seem to imply. In TN if the BC has a cut off of 296 then the SC/ST'w ill get it for 260-270.

Positive discrimination. I asked you to specifically look for some thing, remember?

We are not talking about just "poor" people here, we are talking about socially backward people, who were pushed to that extent by the majority.

No, you got it all wrong.

Yes, thats how its done.
You can fight for what ever reasons you want, make loud noises, its well with in your rights but it aint gonna get anything out of the govt and its with in my rights to uphold it.

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santosh tiwari

im agree with PM Singh that minorities would get a fair share in central and state government and also in private sector jobs. but this is a serious case why 20% minorities of India fails to get even 5% share in central and state government jobs and not even 2% in private sector. government need to find out the reasons behind that. why 80% hindu population of India secure more than 95% jobs in government sector and more than 98% in private sector. this is a matter of shame for minorities of India that they find themselves so much weak, in terms of competitiveness, in front of hindu majority that they finally want help from government.

Dr M.Singh is a gentleman. the total problem of congress is that mouse, Arjun Singh, who is doing all these politics of Religion and Castism and have left not much space for other politician. this b@sterd Arjun is even dreaming to become Vice Prime Minister of India also. Ms S.Ganghi need to take action against this M@fvcker Arjun before he may get much strength. if Dr M Singh will be responsible for growing strength of congress and also for a more developed India, this M@fvcker Arjun will be responsible for fall of congress and divided society of India. Ms Gandhi cant ignore this mouse for a long.

Tronic

Compete with them??? how??? They're competing for their pre-reserved seats... they're not even competing with us.... could it be that they wont make the cut otherwise???

santosh tiwari

50% reservation in government colleges are mainly for backward cast of Hindu and Muslim. also few states includes backward christians also in that 50% quota. sikhs don’t get reservation may be becoz their earning is highest among other religions of india. and the most important thing is, all these reservations were mainly introduce to stop "Forward Cast" of Hindu which represents just 6% of total hindu population (or about 5% of total population of india) but still they secure more than 30-35% seats in those government colleges and government jobs.( means those 5% Forward Cast of india secure about 60%-70% seats out of rest 50% unreserved seats).

but there are many private colleges in india, (far more in number than that of government colleges), where there is no reservation. and also these private colleges provide quality education as compare to that of government colleges. and this is known that per capita income of minority like sikhs is highest among all the religions of india who may easily afford to pay that fee. then why 20% minorities cant secure even 2% seats in private jobs where there is no reservation?

Jay

I said compete with the seats that are in OC, FC, BC, MBC or what ever quota you fall under.
May be. But with the amount of facilities they got, they are progressing better than you could imagine.

Ray

All these quotas is a huge political ploy.

If after so many years after independence we cannot bring in educational and job entry equality, it is only because the politicians desire that this is never solved so that it always remains a handle to get votes!

Manmohan has suddenly developed his love for the Moslesm. Where were they till now? They were nowhere but now their heart brims over! Why? The UP elections is around the corner and the Congress is desperate to make a comeback!

http://www.telegraphindia.com/106110...ry_6958051.asp

Dirty politics that divide the Nation!

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santosh tiwari

everyone knows, if there is any problem related to “minorities” in India, this is Muslims who represents 15% of the total population of India and their “united votes” (on the name of religion) for any party can make changes in elections. otherwise not only hindu but also minorities like sikhs and christians are also “divided” and don’t do voting on the name of religion. and when some b@sted like Arjun Singh start getting benefit by doing politics of religion and Cast, rest of the politicians are also forced to do the same. Dr M.Singh is Prime Minister because he proved himself and Ms S.Gandhi supported him. whether Mr Prime Minister want or not, he has to face these dirty politicians like Arjun Singh in the same way.

gilgamesh

Manmohan is just as much a stooge of Sonia(somebody pulling her strings as well? Who knows...) as is Arjun Singh. You think the family cannot cut Arjun to size if they want to? They(the family) use both these clerks as masks for their own agenda. One serves as a polished front and the other, his country cousin, does the dirty work.

Buck stops with Manmohan Singh. He is the PM and cannot wash his hands off these decisions. If he's in disagreement and doesn't believe in these policies, there is always the resignation letter.

As the good Brig says, politicians of all hues will prolong this dependency on quotas as long as they can, and going by track record, Manmohan does not occupy moral high ground over Arjun or others.

santosh tiwari

there is a deference between PM M.Singh and Arjun singh. Dr M.Singh is no dirty politician and has no record of giving protection to criminal like what this Arjun singh has been doing. Arjun Singh has been student of Chandraswami who was father of top criminals of India. Chandrashwami have been teacher of the criminals like that srivastava of lucknow university who was international contract killer. everyone knows how many criminals this Arjun is having who help him during elections. also Mr Arjun singh has been playing all these games of Cast and religion for a long. on the other hand PM M.Singh is known for his excellent political record including economic reforms. Mr M.Singh has no record of giving protection to criminals and has been very good student since beginning. also PM M.Singh just said, “if people are talking for giving 50% reservation to backward cast of Hindu even in private sector also, then those minorities who don’t have backward cast would also get fair share in that reservation”. and he is right. this is Arjun singh who want to play reservation games everywhere.

also we have to learn to respect our those elders who want to see our country a great nation. Dr M.Singh has good share in development of India. we gotto learn to trust in ourselves. i can say, PM M.Singh is the best ever prime minister of India. and if im saying this, the reason is, Dr M.Singh deserve for that. and thats why i think, if our Prime Minister says something, he cant be wrong. there must be some reasons. we just have to understand him.

Tronic

What is OC, FC, BC and MBC??? And well Jay, don't get me wrong, i'm not only for abolishing SC/ST quotas but for abolishing ALL quotas and reservations. Its totally unfair when some people get special privilages because of caste and others don't.

They are progressing? Through free hand-outs like reserved seats? If they don't have the facilities then the government should make them. If they can't afford to go to university and college, then government should provide subsidies and financial help. They should be provided with loans. But it makes no sense at all to pre-reserve seats for them.


Exactly sir! Quotas and Reservations are just another name for vote-buying.

gilg, get real man. Manmohan Singh has done far more for the country then Arjun Singh or past PMs. He is the man who is responsible for turning India's economy around and he is the reason, today, you can proudly sing the fine reaps of Indian growth in many fields.

gilgamesh

Nope, Manmohan was one of the important policy makers who got us into the mess in first place. It was PV's political cunning and to a lesser extent Chidambaram's shrewd handling of bureaucracy (manned by the likes of Manmohan) that gave us a reprive.

Manmohan and Chidambaram(more so Chidambaram with Montek Singh) wanted Indian business houses to either sell their companies to foreigners or merge with them. Again, Indian businessman's resilience got him out. Indian economy's resilience via isolation(some of it can be credited to the much maligned Nehruvianism itself) got all of us out.

If there were no BoP crises(made worse by Indira and Rajiv Gandhi), over rated Manmohan would have been happy with the status quo. To be fair to him, so would have P.V.

If there was no PV there would have been no reforms from any other Congresswalla. But if there was no Manmohan, it would have made little or no impact. P.V. Narasimha Rao would have hired another guy.

In a mob run company, the hatchet man is bad, just as is the accountant, albeit to a lesser degree. Just because the accountant is being compared to the hatchet man doesn't make him an honest accountant much less a statesman.

santosh tiwari

politics in a developing country cant be as ideal as we generally read in books. we have to ignore small things for some better ones. just have a look on the parliament and lower assemblies, you may find there few murderers, rapists, robbers also. few of them has been charged for gang wars also. this is our good luck that criminals like Arjun singh doesn’t have much power and we could get Prime Minister and President like Dr M.Singh and A.Kalam. we need to be less demanding. we would thank to Sonia Gandhi also who supported Mr M.Singh for the post of prime minister.