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Old 06-23-2004, 19:15 PM   #1 (permalink)
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U.S., Allies Will Not Negotiate With Terrorists

U.S., Allies Will Not Negotiate With Terrorists

Wednesday, June 23, 2004

By Liza Porteus

NEW YORK — Although Al Qaeda-linked groups recently executed two kidnapped civilian workers, the United States continues to maintain it will not negotiate with terrorists, whatever the price — even if violence against Americans and their allies gets worse.

"I think there's a likelihood [attacks could escalate in Iraq and Saudi Arabia] and that's certainly the philosophy behind refusing to negotiate with terrorists," said Robert Jordan, a former U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia. "I think it's a sound philosophy — one that's proved the test of time … that should be continued."

Jordan's comments came after news broke Tuesday that suspected Al Qaeda terrorists had beheaded hostage Kim Sun-il , a South Korean who worked for a U.S. military supplier.

Kim's death came after NKTS — the security firm negotiating for the hostage's release — said the captors asked to deal with company President Choi Sung-gab. The extremists originally threatened to kill the 33-year-old Kim if the South Korean government did not cancel its planned deployment of 3,000 troops to Iraq by early Tuesday.

"The free world cannot be intimidated by the brutal actions of these barbaric people," President Bush said following news of the beheading.

The militants are "trying to shake our will and our confidence. They're trying to get us to withdraw from the world so they can impose their dark vision on people," Bush said. "The United States will not be intimidated by these people. ... I believe [South Korean] President Roh understands that."

The latest beheading came after a similar act of murder was committed against American Paul M. Johnson Jr., a contract worker with Lockheed Martin who had lived and worked in Saudi Arabia for the past 10 years. Al Qaeda-linked militants beheaded him last week after demanding that Saudi Arabia release Al Qaeda suspects in custody in the kingdom.

Both the United States and Saudi Arabia said then — and continue to say — that they will not negotiate with terrorists.

"Every time that you appease terrorism, you only make it pay more and you stimulate more terrorism because they can see that it pays very good returns for them," said Neil Livingstone, a terrorism expert and CEO of GlobalOptions Inc.

Experts say that there's a danger in even appearing soft toward terrorist demands, as seen when Spain decided to pull its troops out of Iraq earlier than scheduled after terrorists bombed several commuter trains in Madrid on March 11, which left 190 people dead. The railway bombings were blamed on Islamic militants with possible links to Al Qaeda.

"Spain is the best example — they cut and ran after the train was bombed," said former Secretary of State Lawrence Eagleburger. "The message to the terrorists will be — if you get nasty enough to these people — they'll give in and they'll run."

"They [Spain] showed that terrorism pays and that some countries can be intimidated," Livingstone added. "I think that we have to acknowledge the South Koreans today — they did the right thing, that is to not to capitulate to the terrorists and stand firm" in their commitment to deploy more troops to Iraq.

Fox News foreign affairs analyst Mansoor Ijaz said the terrorists that killed Kim likely thought South Korea would give in to their demands, or, at the very least, barter in some way with them.

"There is no change in the government's spirit and position that it will send troops to Iraq to help establish peace and rebuild Iraq," Choi Young-jin, South Korea's deputy foreign minister, said at a news conference after a video of Kim pleading for his life was released.

The kidnapping came just days after South Korea announced the troop dispatch to aid reconstruction efforts in northern Iraq. The move would make it the largest coalition partner after the United States and Britain.

South Korea was seen by the terrorists as "exactly like the Spaniards — people who, if they intimidated the government enough, the government would back down, either offer to pull troops out or make some sort of conciliatory gesture that would save the life of this man," Ijaz said.

Rep. Dan Burton, R-Ind., a member of the House International Relations Committee, said "the problem's going to get much, much worse" if the threat isn't eliminated.

"The terrorists think that because of what happened in Somalia some time ago … that we'll turn tail and run — the Koreans are not going to do it, the United States is not going to run," he said.

Experts said the kidnapping and beheading of Westerners or those sympathetic to the cause is a scary new trend but one that cannot be used to intimidate the coalition working to reconstruct Iraq or the various global communities working to wipe out terrorism, wherever it may lurk.

"Their mission is really to intimidate the Westerners and they will keep demanding things but the bottom line is they're trying to intimidate us and kill us in any way they can," said Rita Katz, director of the Site Institute, which researches terrorism.

"We can't really believe that the troops will start withdrawing just because they kidnapped an individual and the bottom line, the message that we have to deliver to these terrorists is that we will never, never deal with them," Katz continued. "Terrorism will not be the way to change our policy."

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We certainly can't give in even once.
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I say we negotiate with them ..... by dropping JDAMs and Daisy Cutters on them.
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Old 06-23-2004, 21:11 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Ooops we've already given in far more then once.

Most notebly the "cease-fire" in Fallujah.
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Old 06-23-2004, 22:33 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Leader ,Con999 man.If you two are such a patriots ,why don't you go to Iraq or Afghanistan and fight the war?Pay is good.!
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Old 06-23-2004, 22:47 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I say we negotiate with them ..... by dropping JDAMs and Daisy Cutters on them.
Hey hero if you had to fight them on the ground you would enjoy a target rich environment praying the entire time you didn't run out of ammunition, but it would be a very satisfying event by the end of the day.
I understand dropping bombs is easy and is best used for mass-formations or hardened targets.

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Old 06-23-2004, 22:49 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Most notebly the "cease-fire" in Fallujah.
I don't remember anyone negotiating with terrorists, or even with the malitias there, just the civilian government. Their plan is not something I can agree with, but negotiating with people that may not be terrorists, is ok in my book.
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Leader ,Con999 man.If you two are such a patriots ,why don't you go to Iraq or Afghanistan and fight the war?Pay is good.!
Because I choose to serve my country in other ways. For example dispelling your lies.
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Hey hero if you had to fight them on the ground you would enjoy a target rich environment praying the entire time you didn't run out of ammunition, but it would be a very satisfying event by the end of the day.
I understand dropping bombs is easy and is best used for mass-formations or hardened targets.
Do you ever have a point?
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Do you ever have a point?
LOL, re-read that post.
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Old 06-23-2004, 23:56 PM   #12 (permalink)
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LOL, re-read that post.
I still don't get it. Something about wanting to kill people and how it would be easier to kill people with bombs. Who ever taught him to write should be fired.
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I say we negotiate with them ..... by dropping JDAMs and Daisy Cutters on them.
Hey man, whats one of the things so wrong about terrorism? The killing of innocent people. Bombing people is wrong, too much collateral damage. How is it fair to bomb an area in search of one 'terrorist' and to kill 20 innocent people in the area? Its not. If you condone this and don't condone 'the muslim terrorists', you my friend - are a hypocrite...You could even say using bombs in this mannor IS terrorism.
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Hey man, whats one of the things so wrong about terrorism? The killing of innocent people. Bombing people is wrong, too much collateral damage. How is it fair to bomb an area in search of one 'terrorist' and to kill 20 innocent people in the area? Its not. If you condone this and don't condone 'the muslim terrorists', you my friend - are a hypocrite...You could even say using bombs in this mannor IS terrorism.
So its wrong to drop a bomb on a terrorist base? I only advocate the killing of civilians if:

1) They do something to piss me off such as a mass parade in support of Osama Bin Laden, Hamas, etc
2) If we cant avoid them, such as if like a terrorist base is inside a school, we cant go around it as it will threaten lines of communication, etc and a frontal assault would be to costly
3) Its an accident, and nobody told them to go outside in the middle of a war zone
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Leader ?how long it took you to notice that someone has fooled with my threads.?
And you asked me if I have a brain,look into the mirror Einstein.
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