Originally Posted by Neo

Stil high on charas?
You're losing it man, get your act together!

Originally Posted by KLF

Within the British province of Punjab there were a number of 'princely state' which had some small degree of autonomy and were not directly ruled by the British Empire. All of these except Bahawalpur state later fell into the Indian half of Punjab after the partition. A number of the princely states merged into India and formed a territory called the Patiala and Eastern Punjab States Union (PEPSU). Some of the hill areas of British Punjab became a union territory called Himachal Pradesh during the late 1940's.

PEPSU later merged into the Punjab state in the 1950's if im not mistaken. But the problem with this Punjab state was that the population was divided into Punjabi-speaking and Hindi-speaking groups. Initially, Hindi was the recognized language of the state and Punjabi language had no official recognition by the Indian government since they classed it as a dialect of Hindi. The Sikhs opposed this and launched an agitation for a 'Punjabi Suba' during a period when Indian states were being reorganized on linguistic basis. This movement for Punjabi language was rejected by the Indian government and the Punjabi-speaking Hindu population also rejected moves for Punjabi to become the official language of Punjab; even going so far as to declare en-mass in the 1951 and 1961 censuses that their mother-tongue was Hindi and not Punjabi.

Later on in 1966 the government of India finally conceded to the Sikhs' demand for the reorganisation of Punjab into Punjabi-speaking and Hindi-speaking states. But they based this on the fraudulent census results so large Punjabi-speaking areas ended up in the new state of Haryana and other Punjabi-speaking areas were merged into Himachal Pradesh. Chandigarh which became the capital of Punjab after the partition was made into a union territory and has since served as the capital of both Punjab and Haryana when really, it should have gone to Punjab.

So to sum up, the division of what you call 'East Punjab' was based largely on communal divisions between Sikhs and Hindus, and secondly linguistic issues since not all of the 'East Punjab' was Punjabi-speaking at the time of it being awarded to India in 1947.

This is only a very brief account. The Punjabi Suba movement was not peaceful and Sikhs were met with very stiff opposition from the Hindu community and from the government of India. Many thousands of Akali Dal activists were imprisoned and even after a Punjabi-speaking state was made in 1966 the tensions still existed over the language issue with schools run by Arya Samaj etc refusing to introduce and teach Punjabi language.

Originally Posted by Tronic

Yup, thats exactly what we learn at school... Lahore was Punjab's capitol before the partition, it was also the capitol of Maharaja Ranjit Singh's Sikh kingdom... do you learn something else???

Originally Posted by Neo

So basically your anthem "Saare Jahan se Ach'cha HINDUSTAN Hamara", which happens to be written in Urdu - the language of muslims - is BS?
Everytime you sing it you degrade India as -STAN?
I never realised that.

Originally Posted by 667medic

Eh , Sare Jahan se Acha song isn't the national anthem of India, Jana Gana Mana song written by Tagore is the anthem.

Originally Posted by KLF

The only supporters of keeping the name 'Punjab' are those who want to continue to deny the Sikhs of their separate identity from Hindus and deny the Sikhs their status as a distinct people and nation in their own right. The only other supporters of the name 'Punjab' are those people who are in denial themselves about the history of the region and suffer from some kind of inferiority complex that makes them treasure this outdated Mughal relic.

These people should be known as Bund-Jabis rather than Punjabis since taking it in the a** from the Mughals and Afghans was apparently better than having an identity of their own.

Originally Posted by Neo

Its not 'The Anthem' but one of the popular patriotic songs, everybody in India knows it.

Originally Posted by Neo

So basically your anthem "Saare Jahan se Ach'cha HINDUSTAN Hamara",

Originally Posted by Tronic

THAT is fart..... ok?

Originally Posted by Neo

Which part...the word written in capital letters? The rest is beautiful Urdu.

Originally Posted by KLF

The only supporters of keeping the name 'Punjab' are those who want to continue to deny the Sikhs of their separate identity from Hindus

Originally Posted by Neo

Its not 'The Anthem' but one of the popular patriotic songs, everybody in India knows it.

Originally Posted by Jay

No, even I dont know that.

Originally Posted by Neo

You don't?
But then again you're from the south rite?

http://www.raaga.com/channels/tamil/movie/T0000525.html

I believe it was written by Allama Iqbal.

Originally Posted by Jay

Sikhs do have seperate indentity fom hindus, thats why they are called Sikhs.
I asked you a questions and you have comfortably ignored it, Khalistan was not coined by any Guru, but Hindustan is. Hindustan is referred to the whole of India, so it cannot be kept as a name for Punjab. Khalistan was the pipe dream of Bhindranwala- The Coward, and it died a natural death when he got bullets up his a$$.

Originally Posted by KLF

I have no idea what you're talking about. No body ever said that Hindustan referred to Punjab alone.

The word Khalistan was coined in the 1940's during negotiations between the British and the Sikh leadership under the Shiromani Akali Dal. The Sikh leadership had floated the idea of an independent 'Khalistan' or 'Sikhistan' when the Muslims began making the demand for Pakistan, but it never fully panned out.

The term Khalistan was then later revived and popularized during the 1970's.