Tronic

lol.... That was his Islamic-Pakistani voice from within.... then I wonder why they find it so hard to co-exist....

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Jay

When Punjab gor carved, the part that went to Pakistan was west Punjab and the part that remained in India is knows as East Punjab. Sematics.

As for the changing the name, my questions are,
(a) Who coined the term Kalistan?
(b) Do you really know how "hindustani" came in to the being?

If the people of Punjab decide unanimously that Punjab should be known as Mars, then so be it, I could care less.

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Neo

Stil high on charas?
You're losing it man, get your act together!

So thats what you learn at school?

Whatever..

Agreed,
Punjab is economically too forward compared to the rest of HinduSTAN.

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Neo

Khalistan on either side off the border will remain an eternal dream.
There's no support for it either in Pakistan or India.

Millions migrated accross the border including hindu, sikh, muslims and others.

Our side of Punjab and the rest of Pakistan will probably be devided into smaller provinces, a plan wich is currently under study.
I support this plan.

I thought is was funny, Turbandistan.

Neo

Quite refreshing to get a sane post at last.
In the older maps of partition, Indian Punjab is indeed one single state as 'East Punjab'.
Why was is devided into EP. Haryana, Himanchal and Chandigarh?
I never actually got the time to look into it, maybe you have the answer.
Sikhs living abroad?
Alexander the Great referred to the region as the 'Land of Indus' which is the longest river on the Sub Continent. Some historics believe that the word 'hindustani' reffers to Indus.
I second that.

gilgamesh

Kes(uncut hair), Kanga(comb), Kirpan(dagger), Kada(bracelet) and Kaccha(shorts). Five K's, so Punjab is ok. At least it sounds better than Punjkakke.

'Khalistan' has no historical precedence. Besides it is associated with terrorists.

veera8

wait for some years and create your own khalistan in canada .

Akshay

Dunno about Canada.. but, in US & Britain I've come across many Sikhs & there is hardly any support for Khalistan. Infact, many sikhs send their children to Indian boarding schools for their primary schooling & look for an Indian groom for their daughters.

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gilgamesh

Unfortunately, not so true in Canada. Most don't actively support Khalistan, but they don't ignore it as well. I once saw a Khalistan calender in a Retd. Col's(IA) house in Canada! He prolly needed a calender, but Khalistan calender(even if it was free) ....

veera8

thats true ..but i dont understand the logic of these Khalistani leeches --for
one grave mistake india did was to attack the goldent temple and innumerable times india and by large all indians have apoligized for the mistake ,but still these khalistani terroists are not satisfied....but want to break open india

where will u find a other than india a minority community like sikhs in all high posts (even our PM ) and are respected deeply for their valor and courage ...punjab being one of the most wealthiest states ....
perhaps these khalistani nut cases should take a note from paksitan that it took 58 years for one single sikh to join their army ....

KLF

The only supporters of keeping the name 'Punjab' are those who want to continue to deny the Sikhs of their separate identity from Hindus and deny the Sikhs their status as a distinct people and nation in their own right. The only other supporters of the name 'Punjab' are those people who are in denial themselves about the history of the region and suffer from some kind of inferiority complex that makes them treasure this outdated Mughal relic.

These people should be known as Bund-Jabis rather than Punjabis since taking it in the a** from the Mughals and Afghans was apparently better than having an identity of their own.

Srirangan

I think the so called "sikhs" in Canada and U.K. should be given the sole right to decide everything. This way they can start imagining even more wierd stuff, and we can keep WAB free from their infinite "khalistani" wisdom.

/end sarc

Seriously those so called khalistan lovers in the West aren't even real sikhs.

KLF

Within the British province of Punjab there were a number of 'princely state' which had some small degree of autonomy and were not directly ruled by the British Empire. All of these except Bahawalpur state later fell into the Indian half of Punjab after the partition. A number of the princely states merged into India and formed a territory called the Patiala and Eastern Punjab States Union (PEPSU). Some of the hill areas of British Punjab became a union territory called Himachal Pradesh during the late 1940's.

PEPSU later merged into the Punjab state in the 1950's if im not mistaken. But the problem with this Punjab state was that the population was divided into Punjabi-speaking and Hindi-speaking groups. Initially, Hindi was the recognized language of the state and Punjabi language had no official recognition by the Indian government since they classed it as a dialect of Hindi. The Sikhs opposed this and launched an agitation for a 'Punjabi Suba' during a period when Indian states were being reorganized on linguistic basis. This movement for Punjabi language was rejected by the Indian government and the Punjabi-speaking Hindu population also rejected moves for Punjabi to become the official language of Punjab; even going so far as to declare en-mass in the 1951 and 1961 censuses that their mother-tongue was Hindi and not Punjabi.

Later on in 1966 the government of India finally conceded to the Sikhs' demand for the reorganisation of Punjab into Punjabi-speaking and Hindi-speaking states. But they based this on the fraudulent census results so large Punjabi-speaking areas ended up in the new state of Haryana and other Punjabi-speaking areas were merged into Himachal Pradesh. Chandigarh which became the capital of Punjab after the partition was made into a union territory and has since served as the capital of both Punjab and Haryana when really, it should have gone to Punjab.

So to sum up, the division of what you call 'East Punjab' was based largely on communal divisions between Sikhs and Hindus, and secondly linguistic issues since not all of the 'East Punjab' was Punjabi-speaking at the time of it being awarded to India in 1947.

This is only a very brief account. The Punjabi Suba movement was not peaceful and Sikhs were met with very stiff opposition from the Hindu community and from the government of India. Many thousands of Akali Dal activists were imprisoned and even after a Punjabi-speaking state was made in 1966 the tensions still existed over the language issue with schools run by Arya Samaj etc refusing to introduce and teach Punjabi language.

Akshay

what happened in Golden Temple was a grave mistake in which both sides were responsible. Bhinderanwala committed crime by bringing in the weapons inside the holy complex & IA turned it into a battlefield. But, this is only an abberation in history. Apart from that Hindus & sikhs have never had any trouble. Infact, sikhs are not even considered minority. Incase of muslims it might not be that cordial where you might need to take care of what you discuss on certain controversial issues(.. especially WoT, Ayodhya & all) but incase of sikhs it isn't so. Hindus & sikhs in Punjab(Haryana & Himachal) have had a long history of having inter-religious marriages. So, the concept of Khalistan is based on loose soil. It is now an idea nurtured by only very few sikhs who have lived a major part of their life isolated from their roots. They might find it even hard to sell it to their grandchildren.

Akshay

Oho Pappa jee, saanu te problem ki hai? daso jee. Aye Hindu hove,.. te khalsa.. sab waaheguru de bande hai... Yeahh.. yeahh.. Its straight out of Bollywood.. But, its time to move on... We already have enough sh!t floating around the world in the name of religion. Why add more? Havn't you learned anything from history? We already have a nation created on religious ground which has turned into biggest scourge on humanity. Why dig the old graves? Let the ghosts rest in peace. Sikhs should sit together & decide what name they wish for or what part of History they want to preserve or modified. Nobody would have problem with that I suppose. But another nation!!!! C'mon, things arn't that bad with India.