Trooth

The nuclear threat was the most absurd of the claims made by the allies. It basically said that if you gave Iraq the right amount of time, money, resources and expertise they could produce a nuclear weapon.

So could anyone on this board.

Also, Bush might not have said a threat to continental US. But Colin Powell did. And he didn't do that without the say so of his boss.

Also, Saddam and AQ link's are about the same as US AQ links. AQ had tried to kill Saddam on a few occaisions after all.

Leader

You are wrong. Read the article.

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Trooth

I have.

AQ offered to place its mujhadeen into Saudi Arabia to defend SA and perhaps launch an attack against Iraq. It was the rejection of this offer and the turning to the US that, apparently, convinced Bin Laden of his cause.

Leader

If this is true then you must know the name of the AQ agent that is being protected in the US.

maersk

we like to critisicse france for their business dealings with saddam, when in the 80's the reagan administration was involved neck deep in business / military deals with saddam, so the kurds get gassed at halabja in '88, why no military intervention then??? shiites revolt in 91, just after the gulf war, yet we leave em high & dry. why all of a sudden when dubya gets elected is there this full scale move twards war??? bush used 9/11 as a convinient excuse to get back at the guy who tried to kill his daddy.





for all his ineptness, clinton would have known better



yea, call me a pinko, whatever.

Trooth

Well, there is in all likelyhood secret service people in the US tha thave had direct links with AQ (when AQ/Taliban were fighting the Ruskies). It wasn't that long ago after all. Would it be unreasonable to assume that some of the CIA's contacts of the time might have visited the US in the height of the cold war? If so, might some of them still be there?

Leader

No political will.

Which was wrong.

September 11th changed things. You do not understand, obviously.

Stop this bs. I support the war in Iraq, and Saddam did not try to kill anyone in my family.

Clinton should have taken out Saddam in 98'.

I have no idea what you are talking about. Maybe you imaged that I said that.

Leader

proof?

Trooth

I will only be able to put the same proof together as the article you posted. Drawing together quotes and instances that cannot be directly tied together.

I accept an AQ member might never have visited the US. But we know they did meet CIA types. Or at least their bank accounts met.

Leader

So the US is funding AQ? Ok were is the proof?

Trooth

I didn't say is, i said was. I would be extremely surprised if they had any links now, they probably ended when AQ first turned on the US.

In terms of proof, all i could possibly do i post articles from the web, such as :-
http://www.greenleft.org.au/back/2001/465/465p15.htm

Confed999

So then you're agreeing with me... good. BTW, the video doesn't work here and anything that comes from "moveon.org" is garbage. If you are not in agreement then find something substantial and text that supports your statement about Bush.
I never said different.
How many were there because the US and UK were in Saudi maintaining UN sanctions, as Osama cited?
Even France and Russia thought they had huge stockpiles of the stuff, and they were in bed with Saddam. Either that, or they set us up.
Transcript showing Colin Powell saying the Iraqi military was a threat to the continental United States?
Was Saddam under UN sanction when the US had dealings with them? As to all of this, I consider it all bad. Never ever make deals with bad guys. I would have supported removal of any/all of these nasty freaks at any point, you wouldn't have, you don't now.
Wow, that is a stupid statement. I can allmost hear you stamping your lil' feet as you type it.
I don't think you're a pinko, I just think you are more about conspiracy than real life.
I don't believe a word of it and I haven't even read it yet. Hope it's not confirming anything I believe, or I'll be forced to rethink.

Oh, that was decades ago. I'm sure we can find every NATO countries fingerprints on nearly everything that happened durring the cold war, that screwed the USSR. That "enemy of my enemy is my friend" stuff is bunk.

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Anon

Trooth, Al Q was formed after US assistance to the Afghans ended. The US never in any way, shape or form supported Al Q financially or otherwise.

Your insinuating otherwise is an affront of the worst kind to America, and all Americans in general.

If you spout poisonous lies of this magnitude again i will ban you personally, or resign my post as moderator and desist in posting here if i'm prevented from doing so.

I WILL NOT TOLERATE ABSOLUTELY UNSUBSTANTIATED LIES ALLEGING US GOV'T TREASON AGAINST HER PEOPLE TO BE PROPOGATED AT ANY SITE I AM A PARTY TO, PERIOD.

If you plan to make claims of that magnitude you better be prepared to back them up with at least a half dozen reports from numerous well acknowledged sources when you do so.

Leader

From my understanding of the Afghan conflict the US never funded OLB. There were two groups fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan. Local Afghans, which were supported by the US and the foreign fighters supported by the Saudis. OBL is obviously one of the latter.

themuffinman

thank you

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