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Old 05-31-2004, 21:42 PM   #16 (permalink)
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"Blacks do not choose their leaders based on vision -- they choose them because they are black. "

Quite true.

Sad, but still true.
Maybe that's why the liberals and the media Love kerry so much.
Kerry gave an interview to American Urban Radio in which he said:

President Clinton was often known as the first black president. I wouldn't be upset if I could earn the right to be the second.

A civil rights group wants Kerry to apologize for that remark.

Today, Paula Diane Harris, founder of the Andrew Young National Center for Social Change, had this to say about Kerry's comment:

It is sad that candidates will say anything for a vote. “I consider John Kerry’s statement regarding his earning the right to be known as the second black president an insult,” stated Paula Diane Harris, Founder, President and & CEO of the Andrew Young National Center for Social Change Inc. John Kerry is not a black man-- he is a privileged white man who has no idea what it is to be a poor white in this country, let alone a black man.

Kathleen Parker, in this op-ed piece, explains why Kerry isn't going to be a black president:

Speaking strictly as a honkie, I find few pastimes more amusing than watching white people try to be black. With John Kerry's announcement that he would like to be the second black president, the next eight months promise an embarrassment of riches.

Kerry, whose soul quotient makes George Bush look like James Brown, made the remark Tuesday following his anointing as the Democratic presidential nominee: "President Clinton was often known as the first black president. I wouldn't be upset if I could earn the right to be the second."

How does one earn the right to be a black president? That may depend on what your definition of "black" is.

The definition that got Clinton thus dubbed was provided by Nobel Prize winner Toni Morrison, who wrote in a 1998 New Yorker essay that Clinton was our nation's first black president because he "displays almost every trope of blackness: single-parent household, born poor, working-class, saxophone-playing, McDonald's-and-junk-food-loving boy from Arkansas."

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Old 06-02-2004, 21:06 PM   #17 (permalink)
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To be an American is something more than an aspiration or an idea. Americans have a right to be led by a fellow American, not by someone who received a good part of his education in a European country – by a drifter who lived in a boarding house. Americans have a right to choose a leader who does not chase after very rich women to satisfy his political hunger or by a looser who cut classes to learn how to fly. An American leader should be something more than an adventure seeker. A leader should actually convey a sense of core values and have roots ... not contradict himself at every possible opportunity, and show a different face depending on the audience. John Kerry is a political ghost. His “values” are invisible – his “ethic”, fleeting.

Do Americans want a Mozambique-born cosmopolitan-liberal first lady with a Portuguese accent in the White House? Do Americans want a Marxist/socialist woman who inherited over five-hundred-million-dollars from her former husband as our next first lady who has been quoted as saying “No American boy or girl should have to go to war and lose their lives because of our gluttonous need for oil”? Gluttonous? When was the last time a potential first lady, God forbid, said something so cynical about her “own people”? The same woman who owns three SUV’s!? The same woman who said that “Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with terrorism”? Who are you people? ‘What’ are you?

Bush bashers who criticize the way he handles the press and gives speeches are contradicting themselves. To those critics who say “Politics is an art form, and ‘therefore’ things are said in a certain way to please the crowd”, etc. This kind of thinking is way off the mark and was expressed in a letter I recently received from a friend. When on the subject of flip-flopping she said “Welcome to the world of politics, that’s the nature of the game and if you haven't figured that out yet hopefully you will soon. EVERYBODY including good old George Bush plays to the crowd. They set up to be the most appealing to the audience”. Quite revealing, I thought. If entertainment is what you are looking for then hire a magician or clown, not a president. For those old enough to remember the television program To Tell the Truth: where there were three people associated with a story, and the panelists had to guess who was the real person involved. At the end of the program, the host would ask “Will the real, (so and so), please stand up”! I get the same sensation listening to John Kerry as I did from watching To Tell the Truth. You just don’t know who the real John Kerry is because he refuses to tell you. He puts on a different face for different crowds, and in the process makes a fool out of himself. Kerry is not even true to his own religion. So how is it possible to have faith in a man who has no faith in himself? He’s just playing to the liberal elite who are picking up the tab for his campaign. Maybe he’s pulling one over on them. Who knows? I don’t even think John Kerry knows.

If, hypothetically, a child old enough to understand something about politics turns to his Kerry-supporting mom and asks “Mommy, what does John Kerry believe” ... then how is it possible for that parent to convey something of value to the child, given the moral relativism that is so pervasive in Kerry’s policies?


No, George Bush isn’t perfect. We all have problems and we all fall from grace every now and then. But that’s not the point. The point is that I know who Bush is because he wears the same face for everyone. I know what to expect from Bush because he is consistent. He has character. I recall Bush’s eyes watering up on television once as he was discussing his fellow American victims of 911. I don’t even have to like him, but at least I know what to expect. Kerry puts one on edge because you don’t know what his next move is. Why do we look up to people in the first place? We want a leader that we can admire, or for someone else to set an example for us and for our children. Do we want our commander-in-chief to allow his own daughter to show off her breasts at a film festival the way John Kerry’s daughter did recently? >> http://www.strangecosmos.com/content/item/100009.html << That’s not the kind of leader I want, and I pity those who do. One wonders if this was not a deliberate side show in the Kerry campaign to attract supporters. Sexual promiscuity, enormous wealth, political invisibility, and the looming Marxist/socialist leanings threaten business interests, the image of Americana, American values, and the stability of the family environment. Is this what we ‘really’ want? Or are we so caught up in republican this and democrat that, that we can no longer see the light at the end of the tunnel.


John Kerry is a rogue member of the Skull and Bones society at Yale. The difference between Kerry and other members of Skull & Bones is that Kerry betrayed its philosophy by constantly speaking out against Vietnam. Kerry is not a team player. Bush did not serve in Vietnam but wished he had. Kerry did serve but wished he hadn’t. John Kerry applied for navy patrol boat duty in Nam, because he was mesmerized by John F. Kennedy’s sailing and philandering. Kerry explains his yen for adventure when he said, “I cut classes, I didn't do much. I spent a lot of time learning to fly”. ...“kerry was seen as an impatient new breed, more interested in generating headlines than mastering the tedious process of lawmaking”:
http://www.boston.com/globe/nation/p...y/062103.shtml << Obviously, Kerry’s hunger for power is not based on a love or loyalty for American values (or his wife’s) ... they are based on recklessness and a sense of adventure.

This situation is remarkably similar to what we had in 1963 when the ungrateful and self righteous Kennedy clan was also threatening to become a monarchy on American soil. So far, Kerry has succeeded in threatening to reconstitute the failed liberal bureaucracy of a bygone era. And for what it is worth, like the Kennedy’s, Kerry has also succeeded in angering the Catholic Church. Politics makes strange bedfellows. I would hate to see a family of pigs like this in the White House!

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Old 07-07-2004, 15:17 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Read the constitution. "The church shall not interfere with the affairs of state".

Um, before telling everyone to read the constitution and then quoting it, you might want to try and get your quotes correct.

Here is the proper quote.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."
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Old 07-07-2004, 19:35 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Here is the proper quote.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."
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Old 07-07-2004, 20:32 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Michael or Janet Jackson can do no wrong simply because they are Black. If a Black leader says something it must be true because he or she is Black. When Marion Barry was re-elected it was perfectly fine with Black America because Barry is Black. Blacks do not choose their leaders based on vision -- they choose them because they are black.

When OJ Simpson was acquitted 95% of Black Americans experienced a catharsis: even for the crime of MURDER! For them his guilt or innocence is not the issue. Because OJ is Black he must 'therefore' be innocent.

Blacks are far more prejudice than Whites can ever hope to be! Even moral relativism would be better than this. At least then you have a 50-50 chance at getting it right.

Thank you, Philip
Also they think Mumia is innocent when he gunned down a cop over a simple traffic ticket. His supporters convinved hundreds of Americans (mostly liberals, and including Hillary Clinton) that he is innocent, We owe it to the family of Ofc. Daniel Faulkner of the Philidelphia PD to execute this man rather then release him. Also Bill Clinton pardoned a women who took part in a amored car robbery in Nyack, NY in i think it was 1981 in which an amored car guard and 2 cops were killed, several other guards and cops were wounded. Her name was Kathy Boudin.

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Old 07-07-2004, 22:08 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I was surfing the channels, when I saw Kerry's, 'We can do better' speech.

Interesting.

This has become an interesting campaign as it has become interesting out here with Berkut and others.

As far as the comment indicating indignation about showing **** at a fashion show and practically insisting on a dress code, it is as dangerous a thought as that of the Taliban who insists bedsheets should be worn by women and only their eyes should be seen. I think the bedsheets worn are called chador.

It will be a sad day if the USA goes the Taliban way.
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Old 07-07-2004, 23:35 PM   #22 (permalink)
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It will be a sad day if the USA goes the Taliban way.
We do have public decency standards, but if anything they are going down and not increasing.
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Confed, this should make you feel better about Kerry....


Just hours before attending an all-star celebrity fundraising concert in New York, Dem presidential candidate John Kerry revealed how he has been too busy for a real-time national security briefing.

"I just haven't had time," Kerry explained in an interview.

Kerry made the startling comments on CNN's LARRY KING LIVE Thursday night.

KING: News of the day, Tom Ridge warned today about al Qaeda plans of a large-scale attack on the United States. Didn't increase the -- you see any politics in this? What's your reaction?

KERRY: Well, I haven't been briefed yet, Larry. They have offered to brief me. I just haven't had time.
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My father, a die hard Democrat, refuses to vote for Kerry. That's the real reason I'm afraid of him. Dad says he's going to vote for Nader ,because even if he's elected nobody will listen to him.
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I have a lot of trouble believing that article isn't a joke.

On a side note, what is publically decent is entirely subjective. Ideally decency standards will continue to drop from the perspective to those who refuse to adapt to the times.
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I have a lot of trouble believing that article isn't a joke.
It's an opinion piece outling things Kerry is a hypocrite about. You may contest it if you like, but it looks as if he's got the facts straight, and is stating his opinion about them.
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what is publically decent is entirely subjective.
I guess. To a child molester, exposing itself to children would be entirely acceptable. Most of us have the ability to tell where the line should be drawn though. The families of politicians are allways in the public eye, so any act in public can, and should, be used to show character.
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I was referring to the initial post. The one talking about him being educated in Europe and his wife being a foreigner.

What is considered moral in any area by a majority of its populace has change, and will continue to change. Child molestation is illegal because sexual assault is illegal, and because people below a certain age are not considered mature enough to make the decision to engage in sexual congress. There are obvious detrimental consequences to child molestation.

A man cheating on his wife without her knowledge is also bad, in the sense that he has made a commitment not to cheat on her. It is considered immoral by most, though many do it anyways. Pornography falls into a similar boat. These are both subject to change over time. While cheating on one's significant other may always be considered bad, polygamy may grow in popularity at some point in time, and may not be considered immoral. If the pornography industry were to grow, and eventually be accepted into the maintream, it may no longer be considered by many to be immoral.

Homosexuality is now considered by a large number of people in the developed world to not be immoral. Acceptance is likely to increase in the future.

It seems obvious to me that most people cannot tell where the line should be drawn, especially since that line is always moving. Older people, over the last century and beyond have always been more socially conservative. As we age, we do not keep up with the times well. I'm only 20, and I already fail to understand the youth of today. One can get a decent idea of what will be socially acceptable in the mainstream by looking at the opinions of today's youth.

I recognize that for politicians, character can be an issue. Politicians always have to worry about how they're coming across to the public. Even a charismatic leader can be destroyed by bad politics. At the same time, I think it is the job of the voters to ignore character as much as possible, and concentrate on policy. If your leader cheats on his wife and snorted cocaine and got pulled over for drunk driving, it's ok, as long as it isn't negatively effecting his foreign/domestic policy.

Bush is not the most charismatic guy, and he's made a number of horrible policy decisions while in office. It isn't a good combination. At the same time, Kerry is running what looks like a terrible campaign. He won't shut up about Vietnam, a character issue that really doesn't mean that much. He also won't shut up about Iraq, when it's unclear he would have done a better job than Bush on that issue. What he needs to do is show Americans that his policies will be better than Bush's. He can't win on Iraq, and he certainly can't win on Vietnam, policy is his only shot.
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I was referring to the initial post. The one talking about him being educated in Europe and his wife being a foreigner.
Me too...
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Child molestation is illegal because sexual assault is illegal,
Not talking molesting, just a person that would think it's ok to be indecent towards someone. Like Kerry's daughter, or Janet Jackson, being exposed in public, possibly on purpose. Both of those ladies knew to be careful because the world was watching, and like it or not, they need to set a good example. I doubt it will be socially acceptable to be undressed in public anytime soon. Even the most liberal places keep it in specific locations so they can be avoided.
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I'm only 20, and I already fail to understand the youth of today. One can get a decent idea of what will be socially acceptable in the mainstream by looking at the opinions of today's youth.
They're no different than we were. They just want to be accepted, and rebel at the same time.
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I recognize that for politicians, character can be an issue... I think it is the job of the voters to ignore character as much as possible, and concentrate on policy.
But how can you believe anything someone says about policy, if their character says they are just telling you what you want to hear. I don't like butt kissing poll wather politicians because their idea of policy can, and will, change at a moments notice.
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For me it's not about mistakes made, it's about what we do about it. We all have screwed up, some of us royaly, but if we tell the truth and accept the consequences, that shows character. That's my problem with Clinton, not that he did some willing girl, but that he outright lied about it.
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Not talking molesting, just a person that would think it's ok to be indecent towards someone. Like Kerry's daughter, or Janet Jackson, being exposed in public, possibly on purpose. Both of those ladies knew to be careful because the world was watching, and like it or not, they need to set a good example. I doubt it will be socially acceptable to be undressed in public anytime soon. Even the most liberal places keep it in specific locations so they can be avoided
I don't know what the laws are in the States, but it's legal to go topless in Canada. It isn't common, because women don't like being stared at, but it isn't considered morally or legally wrong as far as I know. I hardly see how wearing a revealing dress is morally wrong. Nudity is not some horrible society destroying beast.

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Fine, but they still represent the future. You can't refute the fact that moral norms change over time, and that what is "obviously obscene" now might be entirely normal in a few decades.

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But how can you believe anything someone says about policy, if their character says they are just telling you what you want to hear.
Because a president with 80% bad policy promises who follows up with 70% of them is worse than a presidential candidate with 75% good policy promises who only follows up with 40% of them. Good policy beats good politics any day of the week, though if voters recognized that, all good policy would be good politics.

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That's my problem with Clinton, not that he did some willing girl, but that he outright lied about it.
Right, so it doesn't matter that he followed through with the vast majority of his policy promises. He successfully passed more legislation in his first term than any of the 4 previous republican presidents. It doesn't matter that his policies helped fuel economic growth, good foreign relations, low crime, reduced deficit, and at the end of his term, the SMALLEST federal government in four decades. All that mattered was that he lied about a personal problem that never should have been asked about in the first place.

Clinton was one of your greatest policy presidents. He even almost managed to reform health care, something he failed to do because Bob Dole and the Repulicans of the time decided that if the Democrats successfully passed health care reform, a reform that simplified a convoluted system while increasing coverage without increasing taxes, the Republican party might not recover for decades.

Attack Kerry on the things that matter. If he's wishy washy, it's still better to have someone who might be bad than someone you know will be bad. Bush, unfortunately, has very little going for him besides Iraq. He has a terrible record on environmental and social issues, and a mixed economic record. I'm not saying Kerry is better or worse, I'm just saying that you should vote based on the things that really matter.
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“Michael or Janet Jackson can do no wrong simply because they are Black. If a Black leader says something it must be true because he or she is Black. When Marion Barry was re-elected it was perfectly fine with Black America because Barry is Black. Blacks do not choose their leaders based on vision -- they choose them because they are black. When OJ Simpson was acquitted 95% of Black Americans experienced a catharsis: even for the crime of MURDER! For them his guilt or innocence is not the issue. Because OJ is Black he must 'therefore' be innocent. Blacks are far more prejudice than Whites can ever hope to be! Even moral relativism would be better than this. At least then you have a 50-50 chance at getting it right. Thank you, Philip”

That is so racist and I’m surprised no one had yet called you on it…
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