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Pakistan: Yet Another Historic Choice
Thursday, October 12, 2006
Defeat extremists at next year’s elections: Quaid’s Pakistan dead if we don’t win: Musharraf By Rana Qaisar ISLAMABAD: President General Pervez Musharraf on Wednesday urged the nation to vote for moderates in next year’s general elections. “I would like that the moderates win and the extremists are defeated. If the extremists are not defeated and the moderates do not win, Quaid-i-Azam’s Pakistan is gone,” Musharraf said at an iftar he hosted for journalists. “Are you on the extremists’ side or with the moderates?” he asked the media representatives. “I’m a moderate and I am not saying it for myself. I mean nothing ... individuals come and go. The greater objective is the Pakistan which will continue.” He said Pakistan was passing through a critical stage. “We are facing a host of accusations. I have tried to convince the world leaders that we are not a rouge state but now we have to prove by our actions that we are not extremists and we don’t support terrorists.” He said the Ummah must also choose between confrontation and conciliation. “If we choose the course of confrontation with a view to conquer the world, we are mistaken ... The only way out is the conciliatory course.” He said there was an understanding now in world capitals that political disputes involving Muslim nations must be solved. “The powers-that-be want to move forward towards resolution of disputes and this is the time we can draw an advantage for the Ummah by shunning extremism.” The president said the peace deal with tribal elders in North Waziristan was aimed at fighting the Taliban. “It (the deal) does not mean that the military action five years before was wrong. We are dealing with this problem administratively, politically and militarily. The world has understood this strategy.” He rejected media reports that NATO had differences with Pakistan. “There are no differences and no one comes to confront me. We are a strong country ... The NATO commander agreed with our strategy ... and I’m not under any pressure.” Asked if the government was in contact with Benazir Bhutto, he said: “I would not like to comment. Political issues are clear. Benazir Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif will not participate in 2007 elections.” He said he would not let anyone challenge thegovernment’s writ in Balochistan. “Here again the choice is between action and expediency. I will take action and crush those who challenge the writ of the government.” He agreed that there was discontent in the province, but said the government was carrying out development work of Rs 135 billion and to ease this discontent. He also supported provincial autonomy and said he would back efforts in this regard. On Kashmir, he said a resolution was possible only if both sides agreed to step back from the their stated positions for a compromise. He said the issues of Siachen and Sir Creek could be resolved immediately and hoped that Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s visit to Pakistan would be substantive. He denied a working group had been formed to prepare a roadmap for a Kashmir solution. He said India had not provided any proof of Pakistan’s involvement in the Mumbai blasts. The president said the gang behind the blast in Ayub Park and that had planted rockets in Islamabad had been busted. He added that he was not the target. “I’m not an easy target.” He reiterated that the army and government were not involved in the proliferation activities of Dr AQ Khan. He also dismissed the notion that Dr Khan’s activities had allowed North Korea to test a nuclear device. “This bomb (N Korea’s) is a plutonium bomb. We don’t have a plutonium bomb. We are following a uranium route.” He said the money generated from his book would be used to set up a trust fund for the poor. He would not comment on how long he intended to stay in power, but felt his biggest achievement to date was turning around Pakistan’s economy. http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/print.a...-10-2006_pg1_1
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On Page 108, he writes, "As I walked to the car waiting for me on the tarmac, I wondered, 'God, what have I landed into?' ". Rather an odd sentence for a person who 'would not comment on how long he intended to stay in power'! If one reads through the book, one will realise how he undertakes a ruination of the actual and the truth. In fact, what hits you is that when he was the Chief of the Army, had all the important posts which endured his coup with his cronies and relatives (the Director General Military Operations is one). He mocks General Ziauddin (the person who was to replace Musharaf as the Chief as a 'loyal Kashmiri' (Page 139) and a pliant General. In his book he has demeaned all who opposed him and even retired some who were a threat including Lieutenant General Tariq Pervez because he was an "ill disciplined soldier". It is worth noting that an indisciplined officer can rise to be a Lt Gen in the Pakistan Army! It is insulting for the Pakistani Army that Musharraf should use his personal vendetta to disgrace the professional profile of the Pakistani Army. He who is disloyal to his salt i.e. Pakistani Army is hardly a person to believe. And anyway, Lt Gen Ali Kuli Khan Khattak has proved that Musharraf is prone to fantasy and not telling the truth!
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Jinnah's Pakistan is long dead, I dont think Jinnah envisioned a failed Army General capturing Presidency thro a coup and changing Pakistan's constitution by a whim.
Honestly, Jinnah's so called secular Pakistan for muslims died a painful death when it became Islamic republic of Pakistan. Secular Pakistan is just a dead corpse and Mushy is trying to play with people's sentiments to win the election.
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Friday, October 13, 2006
EDITORIAL: Mind the gap between Musharraf’s words and deeds On the eve of the 7th anniversary of his coup — after he promised he would go at the end of 2004 — President-General Pervez Musharraf says he wants every Pakistani to embrace “moderation” like him. He says the nation should choose the ruling party he favours if they want an end to extremism and if they want the Pakistan of Mohammad Ali Jinnah to survive. He says the ummah must also choose between confrontation and conciliation: “If we choose the course of confrontation with a view to conquering the world, we are mistaken. The only way out is the conciliatory course”. As if to provide an example of how “moderation” works, he refers to the crisis in Balochistan and says he won’t let anyone challenge the government’s “writ” there. Conciliation and compromise is clearly not the recipe here even though the “problem” of Balochistan is of long standing and has not yielded to aggressive imposition of the writ of the centre in the past. Indeed, his recipe for Kashmir — a resolution is possible only if both sides agree to step back from their stated positions for a compromise — does not apply to Balochistan which is just a matter of imposing the “writ” of the state. It doesn’t occur to him that the state may be perceived as being “illegal and unconstitutional”, hence the opposition to its writ. Therefore, we are within our rights in asking: after seven years of “moderation” and “enlightenment” hyped by President-General Musharraf, what is the scorecard? One’s credibility depends on concrete actions and concrete achievements, rather than claims and assertions. There is no dearth of verbal formulations based on the wisdom of the ages, but to translate concepts into actual practice through governance one has to go beyond just words. Leaders who move societies in the right direction are called great whereas the common run of them merely complete their tenures and let the verdict of time push them into oblivion. Pakistan has been promised a lot of things by its leaders; they have either failed to achieve them or what they achieved has turned out to be no good for the common man. The environment of extremism that characterises Pakistan today is also the consequence of the promised idylls that went wrong. Out of all the dreams held out by our leaders — from the decade of development of General Ayub Khan to the state-run roti-kapra-makan of Prime Minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto — nothing has gone more horribly wrong than the Islamic utopia of General Zia-ul Haq. The extremism we face today in Pakistan is the fallout from the Islamic idyll of General Zia and the military establishment. Ironically, the religion that is often identified with a middle-of-the-road choice of “peaceful options” has been made the vehicle of a harshness that Muslims can hardly endure. The religious state was supposed to exclude the non-Muslims but it is today excluding Muslims and no one is willing to listen to reason. General Musharraf was a part of the military set-up that emerged from Zia’s Islamisation. Those who have read his biography can see where the old Musharraf interfaces with the new post-9/11 “moderate” Musharraf. After seven years in power, with his popularity slipping, he has not even scratched the surface of his pledge to create a new Pakistan. What he promised was not something that he had to construct anew, he simply had to roll back something unnatural that had been superimposed on a fledgling civil society. He had to rid us of jihad — the deniable unannounced interference across the border — that actually strikes at the foundations of Pakistan and destroys the writ of the state. He has not rolled back the jihad that only he as the army chief was equipped to do. Civilian rulers long ago realised that jihad militated against governance, but could not put an end to the militias because of the military establishment that nurtured them.In this context, President Musharraf has failed abysmally. He has not been able to regulate and reform the madrassas where extremism is actually incubated in an environment of isolation and rejectionism. Despite the fact that he had some plus points on his side that the civilian leaders did not have — like the mandate of quick surgical operations and a quick withdrawal from the scene so that post-operation palliatives could be applied — he didn’t use the mandate of his uniform to good effect. The justification for this mandate came from his decision not to confront the world after 9/11 but to offer a supple and flexible response. He also needed popular politicians on his side who believed in his view of the transformation of the country from a warrior state to a trading nation, but he made the opportunist error of partnering with those who will not stop forestalling any self-correction in this regard. He is outspoken but his words often fill his audience with despair in advance because his core achievements are hollow. Indeed, his words have the unfortunate effect of provoking people to treat profoundly important concepts like moderation and enlightenment as a joke, as if extremism and ignorance are worthy aims to strive for. After seven years, his problem number one is credibility at home and abroad. One community that has offered General Musharraf its sincere support is the business community. As the economy lifted off after 9/11 they were promised an end to the law and order nightmare brought about by extremism, sectarianism and “Islamisation” that scares their partners in the international trading and investing community. They thought that a military officer was promising space for commerce instead of jihad and annexation of territories, and they liked what he was doing in the economic sector. But the sustainable and reformist changes they expected from the government have got lost in General Musharraf’s politics. His peace process with India has got bogged down despite his “out-of-the-box” thinking and his trouble with Afghanistan has grown into a dangerous endgame with Pakistan’s borderlands declaring themselves “emirates” of Talibanisation. The economy’s growth rate has dipped significantly, inflation is high, the trade deficit is alarming and new IPOs (initial public offerings) are few and far between. President Musharraf could have done a few things of permanent value for Pakistan in his seven years in power. In fact, the mere fact that he was not “ideological” gave Pakistan a respite. But when he got engaged in the political process he got it horribly wrong because of a lack of vision and good principled advice. Now Pakistan is back into the groove of repeating past mistakes. That is why more and more people are becoming convinced even among his original supporters that the target-neutral cumulative process of democracy is after all what we need, making mistakes and learning from them incrementally without fear of military takeovers. http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/print.a...-10-2006_pg3_1 Last edited by tarek : 10-13-2006 at 01:17 AM. |
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A powerful editorial from The Daily Times.
An honest apprisal. I liked Musharraf and possibly still feel he is the best bet. However, his book leaves me uncomfortable. He portrays the country as in a state of anarchy and he is the Saviour and he leaves one to believe that the Army is supreme even when there is a democracy functioning in the country! I can't believe that! But if one believes what Musharraf has written, then there is no one who can really run the country apart from him and the way he has put the issues in his book, it appears he is right. But, one wonders. A military cannot and should not be supreme over the civil govt nor be the arbiter of a country's destiny. It is only another cog in the govt machinery and not the govt itself! Last edited by Ray : 10-13-2006 at 12:56 PM. |
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i thought dictators didnt need a election speech, even if the dictator was a pseudo democratist...
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Faqih, Fauji and pauji as well, hell no!!
From Today's Business Recorder Musharraf's call to the electorate EDITORIAL (October 14 2006): In an extended interaction with representatives of the national media on the occasion of an Iftar dinner he hosted in Islamabad, President Musharraf has urged the nation to elect moderates in the forthcoming election if "the Quaid's Pakistan" is to be saved. The occasion marked the completion of his seven years in power after the October 12 military coup. It was probably the most forceful defence of his government's policies on a host of issues, ranging from terrorism to nuclear proliferation, to religious and tribal militancy in Waziristan and Balochistan, and from domestic politics to the causes of Pakistan's uneasy relations with India. He also fielded a number of probing questions from the media persons, in defence of the dispensation he has headed for seven long years. The President, however, made one thing clear: while promising transparent elections he emphasised the participation of all parties but it will be without "the two individuals", ie, former Prime Ministers Benazir Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif, despite recent news reports, and his subtle admission later, about backdoor contacts with the former. He not only talked about the worst case scenario if religious extremists managed to stage a comeback in sizeable strength through the electoral process, but also indirectly hinted at possible convergence between liberal and moderate political forces, including the PPP, to meet the challenge. In addition, he defended the peace deal with North Waziristan's tribal elders, but reportedly took a tough position against those involved in Balochistan insurgency. Further, the President promised more provincial autonomy to the federating units, and said that if the four chief ministers so desired he would be willing to improve the terms of the Finance Commission Award. Answering a question, he admitted that Pakistan and India are engaged in secret talks on Kashmir to find a mutually acceptable solution. He was unhappy that most of those arrested for religious militancy or terrorism in other countries were somehow found to have some link with individuals or groups in Pakistan. President Musharraf's meeting with media persons was as important for its content as it was for its timing. His recent US visit and the tripartite talks he held there with President Bush and President Hamid Karzai amidst Kabul's allegations of Islamabad's involvement in Taliban's resurgence in Afghanistan, followed soon after by Nato commander General Richard's Islamabad visit the other day, form crucial strands of the same puzzle that was sought to be explained. Washington's mounting troubles in Iraq, North Korea's recent nuclear test and the un-allayed US-Iran stand-off obviously extend the grim backdrop. Mounting Indian pressure on Islamabad with their allegations of Pakistan's involvement in the Mumbai train blasts, which nearly derailed the composite dialogue, too forms a part of the unsightly mosaic. Meanwhile, the most pressing issue on the internal front is the opposition's demand that the President take off his uniform and effect army's disengagement from politics. The two sides are apparently locked in a tug-of-war, with the ultimate outcome being far from obscure. The US State Department spokesman's remarks the other day that Pakistan has made the strategic decision to align itself with those promoting freedom and democracy, and that it is transitioning to its "own form of democracy" may be seen in pro-government circles as Washington's endorsement of the present political dispensation in Pakistan. Viewed in hindsight, the post-9/11 abrupt policy turnaround was in the best interest of the country, as President Musharraf has also asserted on numerous occasions. However, viewed from a larger perspective, it also constituted a shrewd move by the Musharraf government to shoo away the pigeons coming home to roost, in which we were quite successful. While nobody in his senses can or should disagree with President Musharraf's call to the people to elect "moderates" in the 2007 election, it is politically indefensible for him to make such a call. First, being a serving army chief and hence a government servant, he is not expected under the law to make any such electoral exhortation. Second, he has exposed himself to the charge of "pre-poll" rigging, which the opposition may exploit to the hilt when electioneering starts. Third, the call may be construed as yet another attempt by the military-led government to pit political forces against each other in order to prolong its hold on power. Remember the cobbling together of MMA to seek constitutional legitimacy by pushing through LFO and the alliance's overnight transformation into a formidable political force? Then, playing ball with ARD for some time interspersed with distractionary manoeuvres to rope in the PML(N), followed by (current) attempts to woo PPP leadership once again? Another angle to the President's call to the people to elect "moderates" seems to be the West's growing impatience with Islamabad for not doing enough to rein in the "fundamentalists." With Iraq rapidly sliding into total anarchy, Afghanistan becoming a tough nut to crack for Nato, and India's quietly threatening our eastern flank, a way out of the predicament has to be found. Isn't it time the government restored unadulterated parliamentary democracy in the country, and let people's elected representatives run the country? It is true that the Musharraf government has indeed effected an impressive economic turnaround, but instead of passively waiting for its benefits to "trickle down" to the masses, it should initiate proactive steps to ensure that this happens at the earliest. Secondly, instead of making unwarranted exhortations, the President should trust the common sense of the voters, the majority of whom are anyway moderates. Thirdly, being the head of state, the President should be seen to be staying above electoral politics. Let each voter make his/her informed choice, in keeping with the principles of parliamentary democracy because "guided democracy" has not worked in Pakistan so far, and nor is it likely to work in future, being foreign to the genius of the people at large. |
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As I had written earlier that having read his book 'In the Line of Fire', my respect for Musharraf has dimmed somewhat since he rubbishes almost everyone without adequate justification penned for the reader to accept the same.
Yet, I am sure he is aware that unless the Zia type of element is harnessed, he can do very little. Is this the reason why Musharraf has to compromise? He has to do a tight highwire walk! Given the environment (as can be gleaned from the media, and who knows if they are reporting honestly), the radical elements seem to be holding the sway amongst the less educated voters and in the tribal and feudal belts. Last edited by Ray : 10-14-2006 at 11:53 AM. |
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Date:16/10/2006 URL: http://www.thehindu.com/2006/10/16/s...1603271100.htm
Opinion - News Analysis Seven years and counting Nirupama Subramanian On October 12, Pervez Musharraf celebrated seven years in power in Pakistan. But what does the future hold for him and his country? ON HIS recent three-week four-nation trip, President Pervez Musharraf told the media contingent accompanying him that he was relaxed and confident, which was why he could take so much time off from running the country. As he began his eighth year in power, President Musharraf looked every bit as relaxed and confident as he said he was. At an expansive press conference on the eve of the seventh anniversary of his coup, that began with an iftaar feast at a five-star hotel and continued over the next four hours, he wore the pressures of leading Pakistan lightly. He was chatty, laughed and joked about his book, and even admitted to failures, comparing his seven years to "a glass, half full and half empty, the successes are the full part, and the failures the empty part." He did show an alarmingly inadequate grasp of history and a tendency for inappropriate analogy when he brought up Operation Bluestar to illustrate "what countries do" to enforce the writ of the government while talking about Balochistan. He also ticked off a journalist for not keeping the national interest in mind when she asked how A.Q. Khan could have carried out his proliferation racket without the knowledge of anyone else in the government or the army. "Do you want to get Pakistan declared a rogue state?" was his reply. At no point did he look like a leader who faces questions of credibility at home and abroad. His unruffled reply to a questioner who wanted to know how long his "hukumrani" (a pejorative Urdu word for rule) would continue, was that he would desist from commenting on this. The confidence has been evident since his return from the foreign tour. When he left, Pakistan was churning. The Opposition's apparent unity, the Bugti killing, even his government's failed attempt to make changes to the Hudood laws as it succumbed to blackmailing by religious parties made the regime look directionless and lost. The rumours of a coup against him, that many believed so quickly, made it all look even worse. Since 9/11, he has walked a tightrope between American interests in the region and mainly Islamist-propelled anti-American sentiment at home, and many in Pakistan thought that he was looking his shakiest. Something has since changed and it is not just the success of the book, even though the author of "the first best-selling book from Pakistan" seems quite chuffed by what he described as his debut "luck." Political observers in Pakistan have put down the spring in his stride to the rumoured good wishes of the Bush administration to him on his recent visit for another innings in power as the next presidential elections approach. President Musharraf began his eighth year in power with an appeal to moderate forces in the country to join hands with him to fulfil the vision of its founding father of Pakistan as a modern Muslim nation. He emphasised how important it was to win the struggle against extremists if Quaid-e-Azam Jinnah's vision was to be fulfilled. And he stressed his own importance in this struggle in unique style. "Wherever I went, whoever I met, without exception, has said that Pakistan is the breeding ground of extremism, of terrorism, that the ISI supports this. But somehow they believe me. It's a strange dichotomy. Maybe they think I'm the only fellow here who is all right in Pakistan," he said. But the question his moderate critics are asking is, if he is so "all right" what prevented President Musharraf from doing anything for this vision in these last seven years. After all, he first spoke of enlightened moderation six years ago. If in this time, religious extremist forces have gained political power, it is thanks to his sidelining of mainstream political parties, and the backlash from the decision to unquestioningly back the U.S. `war on terror.' They are asking why, if he claims to be a champion of moderation, did he succumb just last month to Islamist forces that opposed amending the anti-women Hudood ordinances. And why, as the Daily Times, asked in an editorial, does he continue to retain jihadi options in Kashmir and Afghanistan? Speculation is rife in Pakistan, despite daily denials from the Pakistan People's Party, that part of President Musharraf's current confidence owes to an impending "arrangement" with Benazir Bhutto for government formation after the 2007 general elections. It is unclear if this deal, reportedly at American prodding, includes her return to Pakistan. At the press conference, the President said she and Nawaz Sharif would not be allowed to contest the elections, although all political parties would be permitted to participate. Despite such strings to the promised "free and fair elections," it is thought that if an alliance does come through, it would help shore up his "moderate" credentials. But the question is how successful the "moderate Pakistan" project can be, even if moderate forces join hands with President Musharraf, as long as the army continues to rule over Pakistan. His critics point out that a truly moderate nation can come about only with a full democracy, not through deals between political parties and the military for the next elections, however "enlightened" the aim. As the Dawn pointed out, "If the President has truly converted to the cause of moderation, it is inevitable that the moderates will find themselves in the same camp as he. But does he realise that moderation and liberalism do not simply mean confronting the extremists? They also mean upholding political, economic, and judicial principles a democracy society stands for." The crucial question for those who want a truly moderate Pakistan is whether General Musharraf can make the transition to plain Mr. Musharraf before the next elections — in other words, shed his uniform and contest the elections on a political platform without the backing of the military. This, they believe, is not only the necessary condition for the next elections to be free and fair, but also the only way to provide a natural and strong foundation for building a moderate nation. India too will be watching closely. The future political shape of Pakistan has important implications for both countries. |
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