Musharar's magic pill works again - Page 3

Ray · 09-25-2006, 07:29 AM

Lemontree,

Christian compassion, please.

Remember Jesus loves ALL.

God said let there be light.

Therefore, do spread light on these who are in the Dark Ages.

Be a good, compassionate Christian in the true Christian spirit.

Pagans and all require the wisdom of love and knowledge!

Quote:

Tell me the old, old story,
of unseen things above,
of Jesus and his Glory,
of Jesus and his love.
Tell me the story simply,
as to a little child,
for I am weak and weary,
and helpless and defiled.

(chorus)
Tell me the old, old story (repeat x3)
of Jesus and his love.

Tell me the story slowly,
that I may take it in -
that wonderful redemption,
God's remedy for sin.
Tell me the story often,
for I forget so soom;
the early dew of morning
has passed away an noon.

(chorus)

Tell me the story softly,
with earnest tones and grave;
remember, I'm the sinner
whom Jesus came to save.
Tell me the story always,
if you would really be,
in any time of trouble,
a comforter to me.

(chorus)

Tell me the same old story,
when you have cause to fear
that this world's empty glory
is costing me too dear.
Yes, and when that world's glory
shall dawn upon my soul,
tell me the old, old story,
'Christ Jesus makes thee whole.'

(chorus)

Tell him the story gently as to a little child.

Jesus Loves.

kams · 09-25-2006, 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ray

Tell him the story gently as to a little child.

Jesus Loves.

Ray Sir,
Sometimes even children need good spanking

.

Ray · 09-25-2006, 10:13 AM

That may be true and may also be very deserving.

But, I believe that if the goodness of Christian compassion is exposed on Xplorer, it will make him a better man and a better human. And save him for this useless pursuit he is engaged in that makes him appear a jester.

In his present state, he appears lost and filled with hate and it appears that he has not been exposed to the love of Jesus and the hallowed beauty of Christian Compassion.

He deserves kindness and love and not hate and despising. He is but a lost lamb.

Jesus certainly does want the Gospel preached to people and for everyone to call upon His name in the day of turmoil. He wants everyone to know of His mercy, peace, grace and love.

Therefore, Xplorer requires this love, mercy, peace and grace since he is devoid of the same and his heart is filled with hate. He requires Salvation. He requires Peace. He requires Love and mostly he requires Grace. In Jesus' teaching, he can achieve the same.

I am no padre. I have no religion, but he does ignite in me some of the teaching that I learnt in my childhood.

Therefore, I can only invoke the universal truth that Jesus Loves.

He will understand since Jesus is a Prophet that Islam reveres.

As the priest used to say, Jesus Saves.

Jesus will surely save this tormented soul that rest and eats the innards of Xplorer.

Jesus is the Salvation to many.

kams · 09-25-2006, 10:28 AM

Salvation arrived bit too late for Xplore I am afraid, he got booted from the world of WAB ( and I spent whole of Sunday researching some solid references on Indian economy for his benefit till my wife threatened to throw the laptop under a truck

). Now if only some one could clean up all the garbage in SA thread.

Ray · 09-25-2006, 10:48 AM

He may have gone.

However, wherever he goes may Jesus or whatever God he believes in give him Peace.

I found him a tormented soul deserving sympathy.

And he is not from Malaysia since he could not recognise the words. If he did, he would have found Salvation automatically!

He must have practised Takiya with his IP.

lemontree · 09-26-2006, 00:02 AM

Brig. Ray sir,
You need to be on 'God' chennel.

Ray · 09-28-2006, 10:23 AM

Quote:

In Tribal Pakistan, an Uneasy Quiet

Pact Fails to Deter Backing for Taliban

By Pamela Constable
Washington Post Foreign Service
Thursday, September 28, 2006; Page A01

PESHAWAR, Pakistan, Sept. 27 -- Three weeks after Pakistan's president, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, announced a peace pact with Taliban radicals in a tribal area bordering Afghanistan, recent visitors say there is now pin-drop silence in a territory that once shook with artillery and bomb blasts. Religious patrols are enforcing law and order, they say, in place of Pakistan army troops who have withdrawn to their barracks.

But as the toll from violence rises across the border in Afghanistan, with suicide bombings killing 22 people in three cities this week, there are reports that militant Pakistani tribal leaders, while complying with their pledge to reduce the presence of foreign Islamic fighters, intend to defy the peace pact by sending local fighters and suicide bombers into Afghanistan.

Musharraf continues to deny Afghan charges that the Pakistani government is sheltering and encouraging the revived Taliban insurgency from the tribal zones. But people interviewed in northwest Pakistan said there is widespread support in the tribal region for the Taliban movement's harsh Islamic morality and its war against U.S. forces and their allies in Afghanistan.

The tribal zones are a cluster of seven remote and rugged border districts where Pakistan's central government has never exerted more than nominal control. AK-47 assault rifles are common household possessions. Most of the people are Pashtun, the same ethnic group that dominates neighboring southern Afghanistan and that gave rise to the Taliban movement in the 1990s. Many Pashtun don't recognize the Pakistan-Afghan border, crossing it at will in both directions.

Under terms of the Sept. 5 agreement, Musharraf pledged to withdraw troops who had been attacking armed Islamic groups in the tribal area. In return, the fighters agreed to stop attacks on both sides of the border and expel foreign fighters unless they take up a peaceful life.

Afghan President Hamid Karzai has faulted the pact in the past as taking pressure off the Taliban. But in remarks to reporters Tuesday in Washington he toned down his remarks, saying he would take a "wait-and-see attitude." Karzai said he was encouraged to learn that the pact had been signed with tribal elders, not with Taliban commanders.

But the traditional system of tribal self-governance has been weakened during three years of conflict with Pakistan troops. More than 200 tribal chiefs have reportedly been killed. It is not clear whether the Taliban leadership feels bound to any agreement made by local elders.

In the past two weeks, an elderly Afghan man accused of spying was decapitated in North Waziristan, the tribal area where the pact was signed. The teenage brother of a Pakistani journalist slain there earlier this year was also found dead. One source said he had been told that a group of teenagers, fresh from religious and military training, had recently headed for the border to carry out suicide bombings in Afghanistan.

In a recent telephone interview with a Pakistani reporter, senior Taliban leader Dadullah Akhund said he had told local Taliban members to cease attacks in Pakistan but to continue their fight "abroad" against the U.S. military. He said that he had 500 suicide bombers and 12,000 fighters at his disposal and that by next spring the Taliban would have enough force to launch major attacks on Kabul, the Afghan capital.

The revived Taliban insurgency has already cut a swath of violence across Afghanistan. This year, more than 2,000 people have been reported killed in numerous provinces. NATO forces are struggling to secure southern provinces where the fighting is focused.

On both sides of the border, critics of the peace pact condemn it as a farce. They described it as a major concession to the Islamic radicals by Musharraf after he failed to quell them by force, and a ruse to persuade the United States and European powers that he is serious about stopping the Taliban.

"This deal has handed over North Waziristan to the Taliban," Afrasiab Khattak, a human rights activist and secular politician, said in an interview in Peshawar, located in the so-called settled areas outside the tribal region. He said a hierarchy of Taliban commanders had taken control of North Waziristan, collecting taxes and meting out rough justice.

"The war in Afghanistan is totally from this side," Khattak said. "It is a new round of jihad, and it is not going to remain inside the tribal enclaves."

U.S. officials have long believed that al-Qaeda members from various Muslim countries as well as renegade Taliban fighters had sought refuge in the tribal areas after the U.S.-led ouster of Taliban rule in Kabul in 2001. In recent months, fighters of an Uzbek Muslim militia, expert in explosives and sabotage, have reportedly been operating in the area. At U.S. urging, Pakistani troops in 2003 began staging repeated raids in the region but encountered tough resistance.

Several Pakistani journalists with contacts in North Waziristan have reported that since the peace pact was signed, local Islamic militants and clerics have abided by its term to ask foreigners to leave, making appeals from mosque loudspeakers. Groups of armed men affiliated with local religious parties are now enforcing order, the journalists said.

Officials of the major religious party that dominates the northwest tribal region -- though they were closely involved in negotiating the pact -- deny that there are any Taliban or foreign fighters in Waziristan at all. These leaders insisted the agreement was signed with local tribesmen who had nothing to do with attacks inside Afghanistan.

Qari Abdullah, a religious leader from the Jamiat-e-Ulema-i-Islami party in Bannu, a Pakistani city just outside North Waziristan, said Tuesday that his party was committed to bringing peace, democracy and development to the city's district.

"If the West calls us fundamentalists and terrorists, they are wrong," Abdullah said in an interview in his mosque. "If we had not helped make peace possible, North Waziristan would have turned into another Beirut." He asserted that the Taliban had been falsely blamed for attacks in Afghanistan: "The question is why there is an American army bombing innocent civilians, 15,000 kilometers from its own country."

Foreign journalists are not allowed to enter the tribal region, but some of its prevailing atmosphere and attitude spill into neighboring areas of Pakistan. During a visit this week to Bannu, the closest city to the zone, a reporter found a curious mixture of rapid modernization and strong support for the Taliban.

Many people interviewed said admiringly that the Taliban had brought Islamic justice and moral order to Afghanistan, which it ruled from 1996 to 2001. They expressed little fear of the reported presence of Taliban or al-Qaeda fighters in the neighboring tribal areas, and some condoned the recent late-night bombings of two CD shops in Bannu, presumed to be a Taliban warning against music.

Many people interviewed in Peshawar and Bannu tended to dismiss the troubles facing Afghanistan as the result of indigenous tribal enmities and historical conflicts. Few except a handful of secular activists gave any credence to the repeated claims by the Afghan government of Pakistani interference and sponsorship of Islamic insurgents.

"We like the Taliban because they are against drugs, television, CDs and other sinful things," said Aminullah, 35, who sells sacks of grain in a market. "Bush is the real warlord who is invading other countries and making Muslims hate America."

Once an isolated backwater of donkey carts and thorny fields, Bannu now teems with signs of construction and modernization, including a new hospital, new schools and cellphone shops. At the same time, residents said the area has become increasingly conservative in its religious views and that dozens of new Islamic academies, or madrassas, have opened. Some people embodied these contrasts as they spoke.

"The Taliban are quiet in the tribal area, but now they are starting to cause some problems here," said Amanullah, the owner of a busy cellphone shop adorned with verses from the Koran. "Their actions are bad but their ideas are right. If they became the government here, it would be good. We would have no cinemas, no vulgarity, nothing with a bad impact on our women and children."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...092702054.html

That much for the so called treaty of peace with the tribals.

It is as they are calling it is a huge farce and more trouble can be expected in Afghanistan.

Ray · 09-28-2006, 10:28 AM

Here is a good example of the peace given by the Truce and Treaty of Musharraf

Taliban strikes on U.S. troops triple after truce

By Jim Krane
ASSOCIATED PRESS
September 28, 2006

KABUL, Afghanistan -- American troops on Afghanistan's eastern frontier have seen a tripling of attacks since a truce between the Pakistani army and pro-Taliban tribesmen that was supposed to stop cross-border raids by militants, a U.S. military officer said yesterday.
Pakistan's Foreign Ministry rejected the U.S. assertion and said home-based insurgents were behind the violence in Afghanistan, where at least 25 militants were reported killed in fighting yesterday.
Raising further questions about the cease-fire, a Pakistani political leader maintained that Taliban leader Mullah Mohammed Omar approved the deal. A government official denied that.
The developments came amid a public feud between Afghan President Hamid Karzai and Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf, who had dinner last night with President Bush at the White House.
The U.S. officer said the cease-fire that began June 25, cemented by the signing of a peace accord Sept. 5, contributed to the Taliban's resurgence in Afghanistan. He said ethnic Pashtun insurgents are no longer fighting Pakistani troops and are using Pakistan's North Waziristan border area as a command-and-control hub for attacks in Afghanistan.
Pakistani tribal elders brokered the truce between Gen. Musharraf's government and militants, which ended years of unrest in the tribal region bordering Afghanistan.
But the agreement appears to have bolstered Taliban infiltrators, with the number of attacks in eastern Afghan provinces rising threefold since July 31, said the U.S. officer, who agreed to discuss the situation only if not quoted by name because of the sensitivity of the issue.
"That's why they had the chance to rest and refit, because they were in a sanctuary," he said, referring to a surge in Taliban attacks over the past several months but without giving specific numbers for incidents before or after the truce.
Pakistan's Foreign Ministry rejected that view, insisting Afghan insurgents get no help from inside Pakistan.
"We don't agree with this. These are just excuses," Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Tasnim Aslam said. "Whatever is happening, it is deep inside Afghanistan and is not because of Pakistan."
Pakistan turned over several Taliban fighters to the Afghan government after the accord, Mrs. Aslam said.
The U.S. officer acknowledged that the truce, championed by Gen. Musharraf, is not the only factor behind Taliban attacks in Afghanistan's eastern Paktika, Khost and Paktia provinces.
The Army's 10th Mountain Division has been pressing its own offensive, Operation Mountain Fury, sparking firefights and bombings that otherwise might not have occurred, the officer said.
Meanwhile, Latif Afridi, a top official in Pakistan's Awami National Party, said he received a letter containing Taliban leader Mullah Omar's approval of the North Waziristan peace deal.
He said the letter also claimed that Pakistani militants who back the Taliban in North Waziristan would fall under the command of Jalaluddin Haqqani, a front-line Taliban commander.
It was not immediately possible to verify Mr. Afridi's contentions. Government spokesman Shah Zaman dismissed them as "baseless."
Since the U.S.-led offensive that ousted the Taliban in late 2001, many of Afghanistan's former rulers are thought to have found sanctuary in Pakistan.
Some 30 members of the Taliban's top leadership, including Mullah Omar and the group's 10- to 12-member Shura Council, are thought to be in Pakistan, mainly Quetta, Miran Shah and Peshawar, the U.S. officer said.
Gen. Musharraf has said Mullah Omar is not in Pakistan, and that he is more likely to be in his former power base of Kandahar in southern Afghanistan.
The U.S. officer said the Taliban's connections with Pakistan run so deep that wounded fighters seek treatment on the Pakistani side of the border and even carry their dead to Pakistan for burial.
Some of the suicide bombers in Afghanistan have been recruited in Pakistan, including a 17-year-old boy who blew himself up in front of a U.S. military convoy in Kabul this month, killing a bystander and wounding three American soldiers, Afghan police say.
The border region is also thought to harbor top al Qaeda fugitives Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahri, the U.S. officer said, discounting reports that bin Laden may have died from typhoid or that his trail has gone cold.
"No, I don't think he's dead. The overall assessment is that they're still in Pakistan," the officer said.
In Afghanistan yesterday, insurgents attacked an Afghan police checkpoint in southern Helmand province and "at least 25 insurgents" were killed in the ensuing clash with international troops, the NATO-led force said.
Three Italian soldiers attached to the NATO force and one civilian were wounded yesterday when a roadside bomb hit their vehicle in the western Herat province, the Italian Defense Ministry said.
The attack was the latest in a spree of bombings in previously calm western Afghanistan, where NATO and Afghan officials have reported an increase in Taliban activity. Four Italian soldiers were wounded Sept. 8 by a roadside bomb in neighboring Farah province.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/world...5452-6596r.htm

09-25-2006, 10:13 AM	#33 (permalink)
Ray Postmaster General *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-20-03 Posts: 27,232 Country:	That may be true and may also be very deserving. But, I believe that if the goodness of Christian compassion is exposed on Xplorer, it will make him a better man and a better human. And save him for this useless pursuit he is engaged in that makes him appear a jester. In his present state, he appears lost and filled with hate and it appears that he has not been exposed to the love of Jesus and the hallowed beauty of Christian Compassion. He deserves kindness and love and not hate and despising. He is but a lost lamb. Jesus certainly does want the Gospel preached to people and for everyone to call upon His name in the day of turmoil. He wants everyone to know of His mercy, peace, grace and love. Therefore, Xplorer requires this love, mercy, peace and grace since he is devoid of the same and his heart is filled with hate. He requires Salvation. He requires Peace. He requires Love and mostly he requires Grace. In Jesus' teaching, he can achieve the same. I am no padre. I have no religion, but he does ignite in me some of the teaching that I learnt in my childhood. Therefore, I can only invoke the universal truth that Jesus Loves. He will understand since Jesus is a Prophet that Islam reveres. As the priest used to say, Jesus Saves. Jesus will surely save this tormented soul that rest and eats the innards of Xplorer. Jesus is the Salvation to many. Last edited by Ray : 09-25-2006 at 10:17 AM.

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lemontree Bandaid *Military Professional* Join Date: 10-04-04 Location: India Posts: 5,918	Brig. Ray sir, You need to be on 'God' chennel. __________________ Cheers!...on the rocks!!

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kams *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 07-22-06 Location: Piscatawy, NJ Posts: 1,437 Country:	Salvation arrived bit too late for Xplore I am afraid, he got booted from the world of WAB ( and I spent whole of Sunday researching some solid references on Indian economy for his benefit till my wife threatened to throw the laptop under a truck ). Now if only some one could clean up all the garbage in SA thread.

09-25-2006, 10:48 AM	#35 (permalink)
Ray Postmaster General *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-20-03 Posts: 27,232 Country:	He may have gone. However, wherever he goes may Jesus or whatever God he believes in give him Peace. I found him a tormented soul deserving sympathy. And he is not from Malaysia since he could not recognise the words. If he did, he would have found Salvation automatically! He must have practised Takiya with his IP.

09-28-2006, 10:28 AM	#38 (permalink)
Ray Postmaster General *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-20-03 Posts: 27,232 Country:	Here is a good example of the peace given by the Truce and Treaty of Musharraf Taliban strikes on U.S. troops triple after truce By Jim Krane ASSOCIATED PRESS September 28, 2006 KABUL, Afghanistan -- American troops on Afghanistan's eastern frontier have seen a tripling of attacks since a truce between the Pakistani army and pro-Taliban tribesmen that was supposed to stop cross-border raids by militants, a U.S. military officer said yesterday. Pakistan's Foreign Ministry rejected the U.S. assertion and said home-based insurgents were behind the violence in Afghanistan, where at least 25 militants were reported killed in fighting yesterday. Raising further questions about the cease-fire, a Pakistani political leader maintained that Taliban leader Mullah Mohammed Omar approved the deal. A government official denied that. The developments came amid a public feud between Afghan President Hamid Karzai and Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf, who had dinner last night with President Bush at the White House. The U.S. officer said the cease-fire that began June 25, cemented by the signing of a peace accord Sept. 5, contributed to the Taliban's resurgence in Afghanistan. He said ethnic Pashtun insurgents are no longer fighting Pakistani troops and are using Pakistan's North Waziristan border area as a command-and-control hub for attacks in Afghanistan. Pakistani tribal elders brokered the truce between Gen. Musharraf's government and militants, which ended years of unrest in the tribal region bordering Afghanistan. But the agreement appears to have bolstered Taliban infiltrators, with the number of attacks in eastern Afghan provinces rising threefold since July 31, said the U.S. officer, who agreed to discuss the situation only if not quoted by name because of the sensitivity of the issue. "That's why they had the chance to rest and refit, because they were in a sanctuary," he said, referring to a surge in Taliban attacks over the past several months but without giving specific numbers for incidents before or after the truce. Pakistan's Foreign Ministry rejected that view, insisting Afghan insurgents get no help from inside Pakistan. "We don't agree with this. These are just excuses," Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Tasnim Aslam said. "Whatever is happening, it is deep inside Afghanistan and is not because of Pakistan." Pakistan turned over several Taliban fighters to the Afghan government after the accord, Mrs. Aslam said. The U.S. officer acknowledged that the truce, championed by Gen. Musharraf, is not the only factor behind Taliban attacks in Afghanistan's eastern Paktika, Khost and Paktia provinces. The Army's 10th Mountain Division has been pressing its own offensive, Operation Mountain Fury, sparking firefights and bombings that otherwise might not have occurred, the officer said. Meanwhile, Latif Afridi, a top official in Pakistan's Awami National Party, said he received a letter containing Taliban leader Mullah Omar's approval of the North Waziristan peace deal. He said the letter also claimed that Pakistani militants who back the Taliban in North Waziristan would fall under the command of Jalaluddin Haqqani, a front-line Taliban commander. It was not immediately possible to verify Mr. Afridi's contentions. Government spokesman Shah Zaman dismissed them as "baseless." Since the U.S.-led offensive that ousted the Taliban in late 2001, many of Afghanistan's former rulers are thought to have found sanctuary in Pakistan. Some 30 members of the Taliban's top leadership, including Mullah Omar and the group's 10- to 12-member Shura Council, are thought to be in Pakistan, mainly Quetta, Miran Shah and Peshawar, the U.S. officer said. Gen. Musharraf has said Mullah Omar is not in Pakistan, and that he is more likely to be in his former power base of Kandahar in southern Afghanistan. The U.S. officer said the Taliban's connections with Pakistan run so deep that wounded fighters seek treatment on the Pakistani side of the border and even carry their dead to Pakistan for burial. Some of the suicide bombers in Afghanistan have been recruited in Pakistan, including a 17-year-old boy who blew himself up in front of a U.S. military convoy in Kabul this month, killing a bystander and wounding three American soldiers, Afghan police say. The border region is also thought to harbor top al Qaeda fugitives Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahri, the U.S. officer said, discounting reports that bin Laden may have died from typhoid or that his trail has gone cold. "No, I don't think he's dead. The overall assessment is that they're still in Pakistan," the officer said. In Afghanistan yesterday, insurgents attacked an Afghan police checkpoint in southern Helmand province and "at least 25 insurgents" were killed in the ensuing clash with international troops, the NATO-led force said. Three Italian soldiers attached to the NATO force and one civilian were wounded yesterday when a roadside bomb hit their vehicle in the western Herat province, the Italian Defense Ministry said. The attack was the latest in a spree of bombings in previously calm western Afghanistan, where NATO and Afghan officials have reported an increase in Taliban activity. Four Italian soldiers were wounded Sept. 8 by a roadside bomb in neighboring Farah province. http://www.washingtontimes.com/world...5452-6596r.htm

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