Fatwa against singing Vande Mataram

Vaman · 06-12-2006, 13:10 PM

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/a...ow/1629373.cms

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HYDERABAD: With the new academic year set to start next week and the admission process at its peak, several city--based muftis issued a fatwa on Tuesday asking Muslims not to admit their children in schools where Vande Mataram is sung every morning. Children who are already studying in such institutions must be immediately shifted to other schools, the fatwa ordered.

Muftis, including All--India Sunni Ulema Board president Moulana Syed Shah Badruddin Qadri Aljeelani, Moulana Mohammed Hasnuddin, Moulana Mohammed Mastan Ali, Nazima Aziz and Rizwana Zarreen of Jamiat--ul--Mominath, jointly issued the fatwa when some parents approached them seeking a shariah ruling on Vande Mataram. Several schools in the city start their day with a recital of the national song. “Vande Mataram was written by Bankim Chandra Chatterjee.

It emphasises that Indians treat their land as God. Ours is a secular country. Asking Muslims to do something like this cannot be advocated,” Moulana Badruddin Qadri Aljeelani told TOI after issuing the fatwa.

Even if these institutions offer quality education, they cannot force students to violate the shariah norms. Muslims cannot compromise on Kalma--e--Tayyaba, the basic pillar of Islam which says there is only one God and Mohammed is the Prophet, he added.

Parents sending their children to such schools are committing the 'Gunaah--e--Kabira'. Hence, stay away from schools which are not secular, advised Mastan Ali. According to Islam, there is only one God.

The moment one starts believing in more than one God, it is treated as Shirk (anti--Islam), said Moulana Mufti Hasnuddin. School authorities should not force Muslim children to either recite Vande Mataram or any other rendition which is prohibited in Islam, Mastan Ali added.

Tronic · 06-12-2006, 15:28 PM

who the heck cares about a fatwa??? Fatwa does not mean law... last time I remember, a fatwa was issued against Sania Mirza to "cover-up"... what was the result? nothing... same thing here...

Asim Aquil · 06-13-2006, 00:33 AM

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It emphasises that Indians treat their land as God. Ours is a secular country. Asking Muslims to do something like this cannot be advocated,” Moulana Badruddin Qadri Aljeelani told TOI after issuing the fatwa.

If thats the case they've got legal argument on it. Can anyone translate it for us here?

Confed999 · 06-13-2006, 00:40 AM

So, what would be the penalty for singing?

lemontree · 06-13-2006, 01:42 AM

Inspite of that the muslims of Andhra Pradesh want reservation . The mulvis are quite a confused lot

stone_cold · 06-13-2006, 12:18 PM

He got no problem worshipping the land of arabs, but he cant praise his own motherland. Another hate infested molwi, deport him.

Asim Aquil · 06-13-2006, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Confed999

So, what would be the penalty for singing?

You mean a penalty for not singing? I don't think the fatwa is to warn people against a penalty but just a declaration that this is religiously incorrect and the law of the land also supports it.

Asim Aquil · 06-13-2006, 12:51 PM

Nobody worships any land. The worship is towards one unseen all powerful god. You can't distort reality to make an emotional appeal against Muslims here, they're legally correct.

Samudra · 06-13-2006, 12:58 PM

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Nobody worships any land.

I do.
Its a far far better thing to do than to worship a sadist.

Asim Aquil · 06-13-2006, 13:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Samudra

I do.
Its a far far better thing to do than to worship a sadist.

yeah? You'd worship something that's dependent on the weather? heck half the year its dependent on mankind?

The one all powerful true God is indescribable by you or me.

Asim Aquil · 06-13-2006, 13:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Samudra

I do.
Its a far far better thing to do than to worship a sadist.

You do, because that maybe part of your religion and that's exactly what the Muslims are pointing out, that a religion is being forced to practice by all children in India which is supposed to be secular.

Nobody's saying allegiance to country is wrong.

Samudra · 06-13-2006, 13:21 PM

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The one all powerful true God is indescribable by you or me.

Prove it.

Asim Aquil · 06-13-2006, 13:23 PM

I just said its indescribable, the only way I can prove him is by you describing God to me.

Samudra · 06-13-2006, 13:24 PM

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You do, because that maybe part of your religion and that's exactly what the Muslims are pointing out, that a religion is being forced to practice by all children in India which is supposed to be secular

Religions are pure ********.
Bashthards are only looking to exploit people.

Confed999 · 06-13-2006, 13:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Asim Aquil

You mean a penalty for not singing? I don't think the fatwa is to warn people against a penalty but just a declaration that this is religiously incorrect and the law of the land also supports it.

Seems the problem is with people singing it; "Muslims not to admit their children in schools where Vande Mataram is sung every morning. Children who are already studying in such institutions must be immediately shifted to other schools, the fatwa ordered." If there is no penalty, who cares anyway?

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