raj

after reading lemmon trees posts i do remember a saying that they normally use in HYDERABAD that is " angrez chele gaye lekin apne aulad chod gaye(britishers left but they left back their kids) :DOWN:

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saw this in some site dont remember the name tough

sparten

I really hope that was a typo.

Oterwise I doubt its permitted here.

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lemontree

Then you basically agree with what I am saying.
That is what has been said all along. You are trying to deny the devil his due.
You are an illiterate and ignorant fool, who knows nothing of India's history. BTW, Which school and college do you disgrace?

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Cheers!...on the rocks!!

raj

thats what i have been saying all along, if you read my old posts, well as i say in my signature, opinions are like **** holes, every one has one.
its upto the other people to think who was correct, and let this be my last post regarding this matter, britishers never intended to do any good. local rajas were better, they being INDIANS atleast cared for their fellow country men unlike britishers who used to see INDIA as a cash cow, and sucked off as much wealth as they can before giving us our independence.
ant if you donot beleive in the above sentence you are not an INDIAN and the hyderabadi saying that i have posted still stands

lemontree

As you said "opinions are like **** holes, every one has one".
Really??....That will be the day some pipsqueak like you is going to judge my nationality or nationalism.

sparten

Probably Khota Acedemy. Or Ulloo School.

raj

it just shows how immature you are, and BTW my school is counted in top 15(including research institutions) in the world, in the field of my study, now go ahead and figure out what the name of the institution is

Hint: my field of study is "distributed data bases"

Officer of Engineers

Then, apparently, you're a disgrace to your school since you have not learned to give a combat veteran the respects he is due. You may disagree with him all you want but don't you dare call the good Captain, Lemontree, not an Indian. He has done far more to earn his citizenship than you did.

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raj

I did not question his capability as a millitary professional, but the reason why he was fighting for some thing that he was not beleiving, if he thinks that britishers were so good(that they actually cared for INDIANS Amritsar_Massacre and Churchills response )
And BTW officer of engineers, i would like tyo ask you, if he thinks that britishers were so good then why the hell does he fight for british free INDIA

Officer of Engineers

Oh yeah, you the hell sure did. A military professional serves a Flag. You've stated upfront that the Flag he spilt and bled blood under is not his.

How the hell do you know what he was fighting for?

He was acknowledging history and its effects, good and bad, intentional and unforeseen benefits. You, on the other hand, are trying to ignore history.

The good Captain was Indian Army, NOT British Indian Army. You, however, are trying to ignore what the British Indian Army has done for the Indian Army. You want to know why I can relate to the Captain so well? Because I'm Canadian and we use the exact same system. I may not know all the nuiances and the subtlties that goes into making a good Indian Army Officer but I do know the good Captain will do his damndest to carry out my orders, upto and including telling me I'm full of crap. THAT is the British way.

Disagree with him all you want. He GAVE you that right. YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO DENY HIM HIS DUE. And his due is that he is an Indian, far more than you will ever be.

scotsboyuk

The British Raj was part of the British Empire, which was built upon an economic model of acquiring raw materials from the colonies to produce goods in Britain, which would then be sold back to the colonies. British India was indeed used for its resources and wealth, I don't think anyone is in disagreement about that.

Terrible things were done in the name of the Empire e.g. the Amristsar Massacre. Many people suffered through the British Empire. Of that there is no doubt.

However, one should be careful in demonising the British Empire. Yes it had many faults, but it was not an inherently evil empire. The Empire was run on good ideals; liberty, the rule of law, etc. Sadly those ideals did not apply to everyone.

I am the first to point out the terrible things that went on in India during the Raj, but I will also point out that the British Empire was ultimately a force for good in the world. For all the many flaws we Britons possess and for all the misery and suffering our Empire heaped upon the world, that same empire also helped us to oppose the most evil and foul regime in mankind's history.

Anyone who thinks British rule of India was awful would be well justified in their opinion by numerous events that took place. However, the British Empire, and the sacrafices made by millions of people throughout the Empire ultimately helped to defeat the Nazis, who's rule would have been unimagineably cruel.

Bitterness for events in the past really does not serve one well in the present or the future. I hold no ill will towards English people for the English occupation of Scotland in the 13th century or for imposing cultural oppression upon Scots in the 18th. I also do not hold any ill will towards Germany, which occupied the Channel Islands during WWII.

Ghandi said:

"I remain the same friend today of the British that I was then. I have not a trace of hatred in me towards them. But I have never been blind to their limitations as I have not been to their great virtues."

One should learn from the past by all means, but one should not carry the past with one.

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raj

nice try buddy, but british empire was worse than nazi rule in germany, nazi rule might have killed may be 20 million people but during one famine, when british was supplying food grains from the welloff part of india to UK, there were more than 30 million deaths.
regarding the statement that it was britan that freed people from the rule of nazis, if you read the history you would find that the biggest fighting force was from INDIAlink
we had to deal with a devil to kill a lesser devil, that is how i look at it.
and regarding your statement about you bearing no ill will towards Uk for occupying scotland in 13th century. its your self opinion, i will hate britishers for what they have done to my country and to the culture.
btw when do you think the thirst for revenge should stop, is there any number of years before a person or his kin should become pacciffists.
and regarding your statement about gandhi, i am no fan of gandhi. i like subash chandra bose more than gandhi.

667medic

I respect Subash Chandra Bose for being a patriot but he was a joke.
He aligned with the Japanese. Do you know what the Japanese did to the "Untermenchen" in China. So basically he wanted to replace the Brits with a bunch of Savage Pigs........
BTW you are going around in circles. If you are pissed off with them then go blow yourselves up. We can do jack about British rule but we can atleast move on.
I had rather be ruled by a Brit than a psycho like Aurangazeb

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raj

atleast he tried. dint he???

i am not one of those who look forward to meet their 72 virgins,i said i hate them. as you said we can do jack about british rule and we should move on, but that does not mean that we show them in good light to our comming generations, they deserve to be projected in a more worse way than nazis.

as far as i am concerned britishers were no different from aurangazeb

scotsboyuk

Did the British systematically experiment upon Indians without anesthetic? Did the British make furniture from the skin of murdered Indians? Did the British deliberately round Indians up and murder them enmasse in an attempt to exterminate them? Did the British throw Indian babies from windows and use them as target practice?

Those are the sort of crimes the Nazis perpetrated.

If the Nazis had ruled India in place of the British there would have been no Indian independence. The Nazis would have had no compunctions about slaughtering as many people as it took to suppress any challenge to their rule, whether that be one person or three hundred million.

The British Empire had many horrible aspects to it, not the least of which are the deaths of millions of of Indians through famine. However, the British Empire did not seek to systematically exterminate the population of India.

I made no such claim.

I didn't say it wasn't.

England, not the UK. The UK did not exist until the 18th century.

Perhaps in time you will learn to put aside your bitterness and hatred and look towards the example that Mahatma Ghandi set. Your hatred will do you no good. What is the point in hating Britons; your hatred will not change the past? Will your hatred make India a better place today? I don't think so.

You hate an entire people because of the actions of their ancestors. If we were all to do that then there would never be peace, we would simply fight endlessly over matters that long since faded into history.

There should be no 'thirst for revenge' in the first place. Also, one does not necessarily have to be a pacifist to not seek revenge.

What revenge are you going to take? Will your revenge make you any better than those who caused suffering in India in the past?

I did not quote Ghandi as part of a popularity contest, I quoted him because his statement was pertinent.