The End of one European country...

kNikS · 05-23-2006, 07:54 AM

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Montenegro vote result confirmed

Montenegro has narrowly voted for independence from Serbia in an historic referendum, complete official results have confirmed.

The full count gave 55.5% in favour of breaking the union with Belgrade. The required margin for victory was 55%.

A dispute over 19,000 votes in the capital Podgorica delayed announcement of the final results on Monday.

The European Commission said Montenegro could begin talks with the EU on closer ties and eventual membership.

"The European perspective is open to Montenegro," enlargement commissioner Olli Rehn said.

Serbia has seen its EU ambitions hampered by the failure to arrest key war crimes suspects, but Montenegrin Prime Minister Milo Djukanovic was optimistic about his nation's prospects.

"I am convinced Montenegro could be the next country from this region to join the European Union, after Romania, Bulgaria and Croatia, which are further along the process," he told Reuters news agency.

Recount rejected

The question of independence has deeply divided Montenegro, with opponents arguing it will damage economic, family and political ties with Serbia.

A demand by pro-Serbian unionist parties for a full recount was rejected by the referendum commission.

But Vladeta Jankovic, an adviser to Serbian Prime Minister Vojislav Kostunica, said Serbia would respect the result.

"I don't expect anyone to object to Montenegrin independence," he told the BBC.

"In Serbia proper there is nearly a million people who are either of Montenegrin origin or in other ways very closely connected to Montenegro, but there is certainly no bad blood about it."

'Fair' poll

The head of the referendum commission, Frantisek Lipka, said that the completed preliminary results showed 230,711 people, 55.5%, voted for Montenegro to become an independent state.

He said 184,954 voters, 44.5%, had voted to remain with Serbia.

The results will be made final on Saturday after the expiry of a period in which they can be challenged.

Turnout was 86.3%.

The final result had been expected on Monday evening, but was delayed because of a dispute over votes from 37 polling stations in Podgorica.

Several leaders of the pro-union bloc led by the Socialist People's Party signed a statement calling for a recount of the ballots.

But Mr Lipka dismissed their complaints, and the final result received the backing of European Parliament observers and the EU's Austrian presidency.

Divisions

Indications that the pro-independence bloc may have won the vote prompted celebrations in the Montenegrin capital, Podgorica, on Monday.

Prime Minister Djukanovic said the poll showed that "the independence of the country has been renewed".

He argued that an independent Montenegro - which has a population of fewer than 700,000 people - would have a stronger economy and be a better candidate for admission into the European Union.

The process of disentangling Montenegro and Serbia is likely to involve detailed negotiations between the two governments, the BBC's Nick Hawton in Montenegro says.

But the strong social and economic links between the two peoples is unlikely to be significantly affected, at least in the short term, he adds.

Serb politicians, Orthodox church leaders and Montenegrins from the mountainous inland regions bordering Serbia broadly opposed secession.

However, ethnic Montenegrins and Albanians from the coastal area largely backed the prime minister and favoured independence.

Montenegro's loose union with Serbia was established in 2003, replacing what was left of the former Yugoslavia.

The last time Montenegro was independent was nearly 90 years ago at the end of World War I, when it was absorbed into the newly formed Yugoslavia.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5007364.stm

Here we are. Further fragmentation of Serbian land. Independent Montenegro with flag utterly similar to Albanian. Microscopic country with stupid, declining and above all divided population that fits in a trolleybus. Demagogy and corrupted regime that sacrificed their own country to save their own ass. Blindness to perceive and protect national interests. Long live eco-tourism.

Frankly, I'm pretty sad and I’m certainly tired of this sh!t. I just want them to get the fcuk out of my sight. At this moment I just don't like the fact that I'll be mobilized when in few years Albanians (who made this sh!t possible BTW) there begin their usual crap. And I equally don't like the fact that it's possible that those incompetent imbeciles in government here will turn their back to those poor people.

**Parihaka** · 05-23-2006, 08:12 AM

It did seem rather silly to me when I listened to the radio this morning that a group of people comprising somewhat less than the population of the middle to piddling city that I live in decided to call themselves a country. They won't have enough people to staff the civil service......

kNikS · 05-23-2006, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by parihaka

It did seem rather silly to me when I listened to the radio this morning that a group of people comprising somewhat less than the population of the middle to piddling city that I live in decided to call themselves a country. They won't have enough people to staff the civil service......

Imagine it. Whole country like one municipality in Belgrade. And I think that they had similar number of people here. They possibly have larger diaspora than population.

***shaking my head***

Ellopian · 05-23-2006, 13:25 PM

Kniks, the worse is to come, Albanian "minorities" will ask their independance all over the balkans, personnaly i understand your anger. Next stop, Kosovo...(what a country...)

kNikS · 05-23-2006, 13:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Ellopian

Kniks, the worse is to come, Albanian "minorities" will ask their independance all over the balkans, personnaly i understand your anger. Next stop, Kosovo...(what a country...)

Thanks. Formally, we are yet to see independance of Kosovo but regarding various statements from various officials it's pretty finished job. But mark my words - Serbs won't be only to feel consequences of such Albanian "state". It's far from over, in any case.

Oh, I almost forgotten - since Albanians and Montenegrins will have their states, (not that I'm denying historical existence of Montenegro, just think that it isn't practical) why don't Bosnian Serbs from Republic of Srpska have thier referendum?

Ellopian · 05-23-2006, 13:57 PM

The fact is that the situation in balkans is really becoming worrying for Serbs and Greeks. What is this region?? There are too many countries.

Kosovars "already" have their independance. They have it 99%, because they are massively supported by Oncle Sam's diplomacy. After that they will try to unify with Albania ("Great Albania").

dalem · 05-23-2006, 14:12 PM

All hail the independent republic of Main Street!

-dale

kNikS · 05-23-2006, 14:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Ellopian

The fact is that the situation in balkans is really becoming worrying for Serbs and Greeks. What is this region?? There are too many countries.

Kosovars "already" have their independance. They have it 99%, because they are massively supported by Oncle Sam's diplomacy. After that they will try to unify with Albania ("Great Albania").

Hm... yes, sad but true - Albanian lobby (sponsored by Albanian mafia) is very strong in the US. I wonder why is alowed to Albanians to conduct everything to have their ethnicaly clean Great Albania and on the other side, Serbian right to live on territories that are historcaly their is denied.

Albanians don't even need to unify, they are crossing the border as it is a same state. They will certainly try is to scrap parts of Macedonia, Montenegro, Southern Serbia and they will possibly have some sort of campaign in Greece. Fortunately you are quite immune to them, I believe that Serbia is drawing the line with this recent happenings so If they try to cross it we will be waiting for them, but God help Montenegro and Macedonia.

kNikS · 05-23-2006, 14:26 PM

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Originally Posted by dalem

All hail the independent republic of Main Street!

-dale

Haha, If I wasn't crying I would laugh. I could put my manhood that I have more traffic lights in my neighborhood than thay have in their state.

Ray · 05-23-2006, 14:55 PM

The whole issue is ridiculous.

Will they be self sustaining?

Might as well revert to city states!

Lives up to the word "Balkanisation"!

kNikS · 05-23-2006, 15:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Ray

The whole issue is ridiculous.

Will they be self sustaining?

Might as well revert to city states!

Lives up to the word "Balkanisation"!

There is a version that after the elections in Montenegro, unionists will organize new referendum to go back, since there was an odd rule this time that Montenegrins from Serbia can't vote (one more ridicilous thing) and that with their votes we could reunite.

We call it hoce kaki, nece kaki (want to poo, don't want to poo).

2DREZQ · 05-23-2006, 19:03 PM

Is this what happens when nationalism overcomes rational thought? Upon what will the economies of these "nations" be based?

InlineSix · 05-24-2006, 02:22 AM

Well, it's their wright to have a independant state, and they choosed it, just like slovenia and croatia did in 91'. We'll see what will become of this. Yes, Monte Negro is a small country, but there are smaller countrys, and they do work well.

**Officer of Engineers** · 05-24-2006, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by kNikS

Here we are. Further fragmentation of Serbian land.

*** shaking my head ***

I came home away from this mess. You are home stuck with this mess. Sad.

Ray · 05-24-2006, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by InlineSix

Well, it's their wright to have a independant state, and they choosed it, just like slovenia and croatia did in 91'. We'll see what will become of this. Yes, Monte Negro is a small country, but there are smaller countrys, and they do work well.

Montenegro is a small country in south-eastern Europe. It has population of about 620,000. Its territory of 13,812 square kilometers is approximately the size of the U.S. state of Connecticut. The population consists of a majority of Montenegrins (62%) along with Serbs (9%), Albanians (7%), Muslims (15%), Croats (1%) and others (based on the 1991 census). The majority of the population belongs to the Orthodox Christian tradition (Montenegrins and Serbs); there is also a large Muslim population and smaller numbers of Roman Catholics.

What are the natural resources Montenegro can base her economy on?

Tourism? How developed is that?

05-23-2006, 14:55 PM	#10 (permalink)
Ray Postmaster General *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-20-03 Posts: 28,261 Country:	The whole issue is ridiculous. Will they be self sustaining? Might as well revert to city states! Lives up to the word "Balkanisation"! __________________ "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination." I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to. HAKUNA MATATA

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2DREZQ Contributor Join Date: 08-04-03 Posts: 704	Is this what happens when nationalism overcomes rational thought? Upon what will the economies of these "nations" be based? __________________ USS North Dakota

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Parihaka Moderator Join Date: 11-10-04 Location: Te Ika a Maui Posts: 9,965 Country:	It did seem rather silly to me when I listened to the radio this morning that a group of people comprising somewhat less than the population of the middle to piddling city that I live in decided to call themselves a country. They won't have enough people to staff the civil service......

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Ellopian Banished Join Date: 04-06-06 Posts: 134	Kniks, the worse is to come, Albanian "minorities" will ask their independance all over the balkans, personnaly i understand your anger. Next stop, Kosovo...(what a country...)

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Ellopian Banished Join Date: 04-06-06 Posts: 134	The fact is that the situation in balkans is really becoming worrying for Serbs and Greeks. What is this region?? There are too many countries. Kosovars "already" have their independance. They have it 99%, because they are massively supported by Oncle Sam's diplomacy. After that they will try to unify with Albania ("Great Albania").

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dalem Lord High Hullabalooster *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 11-23-04 Location: Columbia Heights, MN Posts: 8,737 Country:	All hail the independent republic of Main Street! -dale

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