Shamgar

Can you answer Shamgar's Questions honestly from Shamgar's orginal article?

Are You Still A Racist, Xenophobic, and Intolerant Hater?

Are You Still A Racist, Xenophobic, and Intolerant Hater? Am I talking about a white Christian male who is the typical target of this Granfalloon technique of propaganda? No, I am speaking about the racist, xenophobic, and intolerant hater who promotes the propaganda of the melting pot. What? How could that be? The pro-melting pot people are the defenders against racism, xenophobia, intolerance and hate. Actually, they are not. They are defenders of the propaganda of conformity. And like all good propagandists they accuse their opponents of the very crimes the propagandist wants to commit.

“Propaganda by its very nature is an enterprise for perverting the
significance of events and of insinuating false intentions. There are two
salient aspects of this fact. First of all, the propagandist must insist on the
purity of his own intentions and, at the same time, hurl accusations at his
enemy. But the accusation is never made haphazardly or groundlessly (9).
The propagandist will not accuse the enemy of just any misdeed; he will
accuse him of the very intention that he himself has and of trying to
commit the very crime that he himself is about to commit. He who wants to provoke war not only proclaims his own peaceful intentions but also accuses
the other party of provocation. He who uses concentration camps accuses his
neighbor of doing so. He who intends to establish a dictatorship always insists
that his adversaries are bent on dictatorship. The accusation aimed at the
other's intentions clearly reveals the intentions of the accuser. But the public
cannot see this because the revelation is interwoven with facts. The
mechanism used here is to slip from the facts, which would demand factual judgment, to moral terrain and to ethical judgment. (9) Because political
problems are difficult and often confusing,and their significance and their
import not obvious,the propagandist can easily present them in moral
language – and here we leave the realm of fact, to enter into that of passion. Facts, then, come to be discussed in the language of indignation, a tone which
is almost always the mark of propaganda.”

Jaques Ellul, “Propaganda: The Formation of Men's Attitudes” (New York: 1973) Page 58. (emphasis added)

All one has to do is look at the definitions of the words: “racist”, “xenophobe”, “intolerance” and “hater” and you will see each of the words are generic. You will notice that not a single definition includes the words “white,” “Christian,” or “male.”

Racist adj
1: based on racial intolerance; "racist remarks."
2: discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion.

Racist n : a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others.

Xenophobe n. A person unduly fearful or contemptuous
of that which is foreign, especially of strangers or foreign
peoples.

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Intolerance n.
1: impatience with annoyances; "his intolerance of interruptions."
2: unwillingness to recognize and respect differences in opinions or beliefs [ant: tolerance].

Hater n : a person who hates.

Since the words are generic the words listed can just as easily be used to describe the promoters of the melting pot. However, by an appeal to tradition, they are used against anyone, (specifically against white, Christian males) who would speak against the propaganda of the melting pot. So what is the melting pot?

Melting pot n.
1: an environment in which many ideas and races are socially assimilated.
2: a vessel made of material that does not melt easily; used for high temperature chemical reactions [syn: crucible].

Melting pot n.
1 a : a place where racial amalgamation and social and cultural assimilation are going on b : the population of such a place.
2 : a process of blending that often results in invigoration or novelty.

Amalgamate trans. verb: to unite in or as if in an amalgam; especially: to merge
into a single body. synonym see MIX.

Assimilate v.
1 : to take in and appropriate as nourishment : absorb into the system.
2 : to absorb into the cultural tradition of a population or group
<the community assimilated many immigrants> assimilate.
Assimilate intrans. v.
1 : to become absorbed or incorporated into the system. <some foods
assimilate more readily than others>
2 : to become culturally assimilated.

From the definitions you can see that the melting pot is a social experiment in which pure or impure races/cultures are brought together and merged into a single body of race and culture. So given the right amount of time, the end result of the melting pot is the destruction of the original unique races and cultures to make a new amalgamated race and culture. (Do sugar and butter maintain their original shape, structure and consistency in a melting pot? Answer: No!) Those failing to conform to the assimilation and amalgamation propaganda program are labeled “racist”, “xenophobe”, “intolerant” and “hater” since they are resistant to the “heat” (social norms) of the melting pot.

“In contrast to this propaganda of agitation is the propaganda of
integration – the propaganda of developed nations and characteristics
of our civilization; in fact it did not exist before the twentieth century. It is
a propaganda of conformity. It is related to the fact, analyzed earlier, that in Western society it is not longer sufficient to obtain a transitory political act (such
as a vote); one needs total adherence to a society's truths and behavioral patterns.
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As the more perfectly uniform the society, the stronger its power and effectiveness, each member should be only an organic and functional fragment
of it, perfectly adapted and integrated. He must share the stereotypes, beliefs
and reactions of the group; he must be an active participant in its economic,
ethical, esthetic, and political doings. All his activities, all his sentiments are dependent on this collectivity. And, as he is often reminded, he can only fulfill himself only through this collectivity, as a member of the group.(6)
Propaganda of integration thus aims at making the individual participate
in his society in every way. It is a long-term propaganda, a self-reproducing propaganda that seeks to obtain stable behavior, to adapt the individual to his
everyday life, to reshape his thoughts and behavior in terms of the permanent
social setting. We can see that this propaganda is more extensive and complex
than propaganda of agitation. It must be permanent, for the individual can no
longer be left to himself. (6) This is one of the points common to all American
works on micro-sociology.”

Jaques Ellul, “Propaganda: The Formation of Men's Attitudes” (New York: 1973) Page 74-75. (emphasis added)

So in reality the pro-melting pot propagandists are actually the “racists”, “xenophobes”, “intolerant” and “haters” since they:
1.Believe mixed races are superior to pure races and cultures.
2.Are fearful of the teachings and zealots that promote pure races, religions, and cultures.
3.They are intolerant to beliefs that do not embrace the melting pot.
4.And they hate those zealots who follow the teachings of God. God spoke against amalgamation and assimilation of race and culture.

If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you.
If you were of the world, the world would love its own. But because you
are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore
the world hates you. Remember the word that I said to you, The servant
is not greater than his master. If they have persecuted Me, they will also
persecute you. If they have kept My saying, they will also keep yours.
John 15:18-20

I have given them Your Word, and the world has hated them because
they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. I do not pray for
You to take them out of the world, but for You to keep them from the evil.
They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
John 17:14-16

Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers; for what fellowship
does righteousness have with lawlessness? And what partnership does light
have with darkness? And what agreement does Christ have with Belial? Or
what part does a believer have with an unbeliever? And what agreement does
a temple of God have with idols? For you are the temple of the living God, as
God has said, "I will dwell in them and walk among them ; and I will be their
God, and they shall be My people." Therefore come out from amongthem

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and be separated, says the Lord, and do not touch the unclean thing . And I will receive you and I will be a Father to you, and you shall be My sons and daughters,
says the Lord Almighty. II Corinthians 6 14-18

When the LORD your God shall bring you into the land where you go to possess
it, and has cast out many nations before you, the Hittites, and the Girgashites,
and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites,and the Hivites, and
the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than you, and the LORD your
God shall deliver them before you, you shall crush them, completely destroy
them. You shall make no covenant with them nor show mercy to them. Nor
shall you make marriages with them. You shall not give your daughter to his son,
nor shall you take his daughter to your son. For they will turn away your son from following Me, so that they may serve other gods. Deuteronomy 7:1-5

For if you were cut out of the natural wild olive tree, and were grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree;how much more these being according to nature
will be grafted into their own olive-tree? Romans 11:24

As stated before the melting pot is a propaganda of conformity. In order to insure conformity the individuals who resist conformity must be vilified and dehumanized. So they are labeled “racists”, ”white supremists”, “xenophobes”, “intolerant” and “haters.” This is accomplished by the Granfalloon technique of propaganda:

'What makes the Granfalloon tick? Researchers have uncovered two basic psychological processes, one cognitive and one motivational. First, the knowledge
that “I am part in this group” is used to divide up and make sense of the world,
much in the same way that words and labels can be used to pre-persuade (see
Chapter 6). Differences between groups are exaggerated, whereas similarities
among members of the granfalloon are emphasized in the secure knowledge that
“this is what our type does.” One serious consequence is that the out-group
members are dehumanized; they are represented in our minds by a simple, often derogatory label – gook, ***, redneck, southerner, kike, ****** – as opposed to
unique individuals – Nguyen, Susumu, Anthony, Elliot,Doug. It is a lot easier to abuse an abstraction. Second, social groups are a source of self-esteem and pride,
a form of reverse Groucho Marx - “I'd be more than happy to join a club that would have me as a member.”* To obtain the self esteem the goup has to offer, members
come to defend the group and adopt its symbols, rituals,and beliefs. Herein lies
the secret to the persuasiveness the granfalloon. If the professional persuader,
the advertiser, the politician, the televangelist can get us to accept his or her granfalloons, then we have a ready-made way to make sense of our lives – the
propagandist's way – and as our self-esteem becomes increasingly linked to
these groups, we have a strong motivation to defend the group and to go to great
lengths proudly to adopt its customs. What the propagandist is really saying is: “You are on my side (never mind that I created the teams); now act like it
and do what we say.”'

Pratkanis, Anthony and Aronson, Elliot. “Age of Propaganda: The Everyday
Use and Abuse of Persuasion” (New York: 2001) Page 217. (emphasis added)
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So remember the next time someone accuses you of being a “racist”, “xenophobe”, “intolerant” or “hater” don't be a victim of their propaganda. Tell that propagandist that it is
they who are the “racist”, “xenophobe”, “intolerant” or “hater” since they:
1.Believe mixed races are superior to pure races and cultures.
2.Are fearful of the teachings and zealots that promote pure races, religions, and cultures.
3.They are intolerant to beliefs that do not embrace the melting pot.
4.And they hate those zealots who follow the teachings of God. God spoke against amalgamation and assimilation of race and culture.

“And Peter and the apostles answered and said,
We ought to obey God rather than men.”
Acts 5:29


Here are some questions to ponder:

1. How can you have diversity without diverse races and cultures being separate?
2. How can you have diverse and unique races by interracial marriage?
3. Why does a racist, xenophobic, and intolerant God hater have to re-define the word "diverse" which means separate to promote the melting pot term "diversity" which means to the opposite?

diverse adj.
1. Differing one from another.
2.Made up of distinct characteristics, qualities, or elements: “Prague... offers visitors a series of excursions into a rich and diverse past” (Olivier Bernier).
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TopHatter

Oh dear god, here we go again.

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Confed999

Just to begin with, the author never bothered to look up "propaganda". If he had, he would know that what he wrote was also propaganda.

I also do not think he understands the entire concept of the "melting pot" ideal. It is where people of any race or religion can come and be treated the same way. When one enters a country that person must learn to adhere to the laws and customs of that country. Anything else would be descriminatory towards others...

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even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act-John Kerry
He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It’s the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat-John Kerry

Shamgar

Let's see I posted Today, 05:43 PM and you responded at Today, 05:46 PM. . yeah just in time for a knee jerk response. . .but certainly not enough time to read the article and come up with a response to the article or questions. . .. go figure. . .

For action makes propaganda's effect irreversible.(3) He who acts in obedience to propaganda can never go back. He is now obligated to believe in the propaganda because of his past action. He is obligated to believe from it his justification and authority, without which his action will seem to him absurd or unjust, which would be intolerable. He is obligated to continue to advance in the direction indicated by propaganda, for action demands more action. He is what one calls committed – which is certainly what the Communist party anticipates, for example, and what the Nazis accomplished.

Jaques Ellul, “Propaganda: The Formation of Men's Attitudes” (New York: 1973) Page 29.

Canon found that, as one's confidence is weakened, a person becomes less prone to listen to arguments against his or her beliefs. Thus the very people you want to convince and whose opinions might be the most susceptible to be changed are the ones lest likely to continue to expose themselves to a communication designed for that purpose. Information campaigns frequently fail to change attitudes, a fact of life persuasive life that was observed by Herbert Hyman and Paul Sheatsley as far back as 1947. (2) In explaining the frequent failure of information campaigns, Hyman and Sheatsley noted that people tend to acquire information mostly about things that they find of interest and tend to avoid information that does not agree with their beliefs. Should someone find that they have been unavoidably exposed to uninteresting and disagreeable information, a common response is to distort and reinterpret that information, thus ignoring its implications for updating beliefs and attitudes.

Pratkanis, Anthony and Aronson, Elliot.“Age of Propaganda": The Everyday Use and Abuse of Persuasion” (New York: 2001) Page 281-282.

TopHatter

Really? Excellent detective skills.
Truth be told, a knee jerk response is all that ego-driven post is worth.

Shamgar

I would say you have an unsubstantiated opinion. . .go figure. . . .exactly how many books do you own or have you read on the topic? I would say zero.. .since it matches your understanding and response.


I think you again have an unsubstantiated opinion. . . where is the word "must" in any of the definitons I provided. . . .I know it is hard for you but stick the the facts. . .

unsubstantiated adj: not supported or proven by evidence.

Unsubstantiated adj: unverified: not proven factually

Shamgar

Yeah it is not hard to detect the drones. . . .

His propaganda [Joseph Goebbels] crusades were based on a simple observation: What the masses term truth is that information which is most familiar. As Goebbels put it:
'The rank and file are usually much more primitive than we imagine. Propaganda must therefore always be essentially simple and repetitious. In the long run only he will achieve basic results in influencing public opinion who is able to reduce problems to the simplest terms and who has the courage to keep forever repeating them in this simplified form despite the objections of the intellectuals.(5)'

Pratkanis, Anthony and Aronson, Elliot.“Age of Propaganda": The Everyday Use and Abuse of Persuasion” (New York: 2001) Page 182.

Confed999

Main Entry: pro·pa·gan·da
Pronunciation: "prä-p&-'gan-d&, "prO-
Function: noun
Etymology: New Latin, from Congregatio de propaganda fide Congregation for propagating the faith, organization established by Pope Gregory XV died 1623
1 capitalized : a congregation of the Roman curia having jurisdiction over missionary territories and related institutions
2 : the spreading of ideas, information, or rumor for the purpose of helping or injuring an institution, a cause, or a person
3 : ideas, facts, or allegations spread deliberately to further one's cause or to damage an opposing cause; also : a public action having such an effect

Thus everything, except math, is propaganda, it is also biased, but you can look that word up yourself.
I do not have to use the same words as you.
LOL You know what about me?

TopHatter

Yes, that is definitely me.
A follow-the-crowd and don't-bother-to-think-for-myself type of person.

Anon

Is there some reason the mods don't ban ass-hats like this out of hand?

Do we REALLY need to let them babble on at length trying to push their individual flavor of KooLAiD before someone decides we've suffered enough and puts a virtual bullet in their virtual troll brain for the rest of us?

For the love of god, show some damned initiative...

Shamgar

Hey you showed you can cut/paste from a dictionary. . . good job. . . . which proves your limited understanding. . . .go figure. . . .why don't you explain to me how each of the 3 applies to my post. . .which of course would mean you would have to have a working knowledge of the definitons. . . .

You don't have to make sense either. . .which you haven't. . . .

That you have a limited ability for reading comprehension. . . .a limited knowledge on many topics. . . .etc. . .etc. . .etc. . . .


“Fortunately, the sincere and gifted politician is able, by the instrument of propaganda, to mold and form the will of the people.”
Edward Bernays, “Propaganda” (Brooklyn: Copyright 1928/ ReCopyrighted 2005), page 109.

“Ours must be a leadership democracy administered by the intelligent minority who know how to regiment and guide the masses. Is this government by propaganda? Call it, if you prefer, government by education.”

Edward Bernays, “Propaganda” (Brooklyn: Copyright 1928/ ReCopyrighted 2005), page 127-128.

The majority vote is by no means the real public opinion. Its basically irrational character greatly reduces its power to rule in a democracy. Democracy is based on the concept that man is rational and capable of clearly seeing what is in his own interest, but the study of public opinion suggests this is a highly doubtful proposition. And the bearer of public opinion is generally a mass man, psychologically speaking, which makes him quite unsuited to properly exercise his right of citizenship.
Jaques Ellul, “Propaganda: The Formation of Men's Attitudes” (New York: 1973) Page 124.

TopHatter

Okee-doke, we've been leaving you alone because you're a great source of protein for people like Confed and Drez.

However you're now stepping over the line by waltzing onto a private board and passing out insults and displaying your total ignorance of the people you're insulting.
I suppose you walk into private homes and clubs and spit on your host, don't you?

Confed999

Please keep the personal attacks to yourself. Currently we're running at near zero tolerace.
I don't see where he is currently trolling. He's a bit insulting, and does not read what is posted to him, but that describes alot of people around here.
I am right now.

Confed999

LOL Guess I should have read further before I wrote he wasn't yet trolling.

Confed999

Wheee! Free reply!
Thanks! It did blow your "unsubstantiated" argument about the meaning of "propaganda" out of the water and literally into orbit!
What word did you not understand? Oh yeah, you can't reply... Nevermind...
Democracy is tyranny of the majority. Democracy is really just a catch phrase indicating some kind of republic.