Musharraf is Pakistan’s most popular leader - Page 2

Srirangan · 05-11-2006, 07:49 AM

And he's lived all his life and works fulltime as a journalist in UAE. How could he have voted even if there were elections.. ROFL!

Asim Aquil · 05-11-2006, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by srirangan

And he's lived all his life and works fulltime as a journalist in UAE. How could he have voted even if there were elections.. ROFL!

The referrendum was held with polling booths all over in every Pak embassy in the world.

I voted in the Bur Dubai, Pak Consulate.

Tronic · 05-11-2006, 07:52 AM

So no opponent??? And what was the referendum on???

Asim Aquil · 05-11-2006, 07:59 AM

Should Musharraf become president or not?

Referrendums are usually a constitutional method of obtaining public opinion and its legally binding.

Tronic · 05-11-2006, 08:02 AM

oh ok...

and Asim, yea i know what a referendum is... just asking what it was on... lol

Karthik · 05-11-2006, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Asim Aquil

Should Musharraf become president or not?

Referrendums are usually a constitutional method of obtaining public opinion and its legally binding.

They are constitutional to the extent that the one holding the referendum is constitutional in the first place.

Referendums held by military rulers to extend their grip on power are not not referendums. They are an eyewash.

Also, dont go around lecturing people as to what referendums are.

Asim Aquil · 05-11-2006, 08:32 AM

People who voted for him thought he was our rightful leader! Pak Embassies followed the order, they thought he was the rightful leader.

Srirangan · 05-11-2006, 09:02 AM

You still haven't proved how Musharraf got "elected" and how you managed to vote for him while you were in UAE. It's just another of your lies Asim, the world knows that he's a military dictator with absolutely no rightful claim to the seat of power in Pakistan.

Asim Aquil · 05-11-2006, 09:10 AM

Prove? Everyone voted!!

Ask any overseas Pakistani on the net, the voting was being carried out in Embassies and consulates all over the world.

I went to the one in Dubai.

Email the consulate general and ask him if the consulate carried out the voting in the referrendum or not: paredub@emirates.net.ae

You'll have your proof.

Karthik · 05-11-2006, 09:12 AM

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Irregularities, low turnout mar referendum

ISLAMABAD, April 30: Blatant irregularities were seen at polling centres across the country on Tuesday as both eligible and ineligible voters cast their votes, often more than once, in Gen Pervez Musharraf’s referendum on extending his presidency.

Opposition feared that the lack of an electoral roll would lead to multiple voting or ballot stuffing appeared to be justified as many voters openly queued up time and again to make their marks.

At one station a woman claimed to have cast her vote no less than 60 times, while schoolgirls aged well under the qualifying 18 years were seen voting at another.

Student Javed Ahmed, 17, said he cast his ballot twice at two different stations in the southwestern province of Balochistan.

“I took the risk just for fun and they did not even ask for my National Identity Card or any other document,” he said.

Nawaz Bhutto said he paid several visits to different polling centres in the Lyari district, despite “indelible” ink marks made on his fingers to stop multiple voting.

“I voted eight times as it was not very difficult to remove the ink. It was really fun,” he said.

Some 70 million people are eligible to participate, but only a trickle of ballots were reported at most centres, except where crowds had been rounded up to impress visiting officials and international observers.

In Punjab, the only signs of life were at stations where the governor of Punjab, Khalid Maqbool, was accompanied by a group of foreign correspondents. More than 80 per cent of centres were said to be deserted.

Even in Gujrat, a stronghold of pro-Musharraf group, a turnout of just 20 per cent was reported.

In Lahore, Musharraf supporters took to the streets waving flags and playing patriotic songs, but their enthusiasm was unmatched at polling booths.

Two opposition activists were seen being arrested by police in Multan after they tried to distribute anti-referendum pamphlets.

Many traders in Quetta had pledged their support for the referendum, but a strike called by opposition leaders had reduced the turnout.

Voter apathy was evident in Karachi. “I will stay at home and watch TV with my family, although it is not a public holiday,” said a cloth merchant Gul Sher Khan, who runs a shop in the busy commercial centre.

In rural areas turnout was said to be slightly better although seasonal harvests were keeping many people busy.

Thinking herself unobserved, a polling officer quietly stamped ballot papers with a “yes” vote, falsifying votes.

Challenged by a journalists’ team, the presiding officer at a government college for women in Rawalpindi said she had been given no choice by her superiors.

“I have been told by the principal to complete 500 votes at my booth,” she told newsmen, explaining that only 150 people had cast their votes. “What can we do?” she asked, clearly distressed and explaining she had been put under huge pressure. “We are government servants and we have to do our job.”

Evidence emerged that the machinery of state was being used to bolster support for Musharraf and to raise the turnout in a referendum.

Many of Pakistan’s roughly five million public sector employees complained they had been forced to vote.

Journalists saw a police inspector open several ballot papers at one polling station in Rawalpindi to see which way people had voted, and he also brushed aside polling agents’ objections when one man turned up to vote without an identity card.

In Lahore, a group of around a dozen people, each with both thumbs marked with ink indicating they had already voted twice, turned up at one polling station to try to vote a third time, but were refused permission.

At one polling station in Peshawar indelible ink was not being used, and a councillor was instructing people to vote “yes”.

The government denied putting pressure on its employees.

“If you force me to go and vote, you cannot force me to say ‘yes’,” information secretary Anwar Mahmood told newsmen. “If you force me, I will go and vote ‘no’.”

“While working in government, you can’t say ‘no’,” said one civil servant voting alongside his colleagues in Islamabad.

At the government college in Rawalpindi, the presiding officer’s colleagues tried to discourage her from speaking her mind. “You are not local media, you should not be afraid. You should publish this,” she told newsmen. “I am doing this now because otherwise I will have to do it after 7pm, when polls close, and I want to go home early.”

Mahmood said he could not comment on what happened in one out of nearly 90,000 polling stations around the country.

“The fact of the matter is that people are very enthusiastic about the whole thing,” he said. “It has been very peaceful and there have been no incidents anywhere in the country.”

Pakistan has an unhappy history of referendums by military rulers. It is generally accepted the last referendum in 1984, by military ruler General Ziaul Haq was massively rigged in his favour to justify extending his rule. —AFP/Reuters

http://www.dawn.com/2002/05/01/top2.htm

That referendum was a hogwash.

Notice that I have taken that article from the Dawn.

International observers described the referendum as fundamentally flawed.

Do you have any proof that it was free and fair? Or do you take pride in being an insufferable imbecile?

Srirangan · 05-11-2006, 09:13 AM

Musharraf got 98% in his referandum, so did Saddam.

Srirangan · 05-11-2006, 09:14 AM

It wasn't an election, Asim is flawed if he tries to claim that Musharraf was elected.

Karthik · 05-11-2006, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Asim Aquil

Prove? Everyone voted!!

Ask any overseas Pakistani on the net, the voting was being carried out in Embassies and consulates all over the world.

I went to the one in Dubai.

Email the consulate general and ask him if the consulate carried out the voting in the referrendum or not: paredub@emirates.net.ae

You'll have your proof.

That should be one of the most idiotic pieces of drivel that I've had the misfortune of reading in quite a while.

Incapable though you are of providing us with credible proof to back your groggy arguments, you are naive enough to believe that we are going to swallow such rubbish.

Why the dickens should I mail the Pakistani embassy? Those croonies that are paid by a government headed by your military dictator?

Give me a break.

I wonder how a person so utterly lame could ever be appointed as a moderator! That job should've been given to Neo. Sheesh!

Asim Aquil · 05-11-2006, 09:30 AM

OMG!

Referrendum was held everywhere! not just in Pakistan!

Asim Aquil · 05-11-2006, 09:35 AM

Take that O ye of little faith!

Thank you Khaleej Times. C'mon I don't have to resort to lying to own you little kiddie debaters.

You guys make a fool of yourself all on your own! :D

Hahahahaha.

http://www.khaleejtimes.co.ae/ktarchive/120402/uae.htm

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Pakistani expats to vote in Musharraf referendum
By Mohammed Rizwan

FOR the first time in the history of Pakistan, the overseas Pakistanis have been granted the right to vote in a presidential referendum.

Pakistan embassy and the consulate in Dubai yesterday received notification from the Government of Pakistan to make necessary arrangements for polling in the UAE for around 3,50,000 Pakistanis living in various parts of the country.

Pakistan's President General Pervez Musharraf had announced a referendum plan which would give him a straight five-year term of presidency. The referendum is scheduled for April 30.

The voters in Pakistan and abroad would be asked to say yes or no to Gen. Musharraf's reform agenda and to the steps he has taken to fight extremism at home and terrorism abroad.

"Yes, we received instructions from the Government of Pakistan today and we have started to look into logistics and operational details of polling," Pakistan Consul-General in Dubai Amanullah Larik told Khaleej Times yesterday.

"We'll discuss and probably finalise the modalities of voting in our meeting tomorrow and then only the final picture will emerge," said Mr Larik.

The overseas Pakistanis around the world and in the UAE had put pressure on the missions abroad for grant of voting rights.

"We were deluged by calls asking for voting rights in this referendum. We conveyed the enthusiasm of Pakistanis to the government and today they asked us to go ahead with the preparations," said Mr Larik.

The Consul-General said arrangements and logistics for polling would be a huge task but he expressed confidence that voting would be a smooth affair. "I don't think we have time to prepare voters' list for the UAE-based Pakistanis but we are considering checking two or three vital documents like a valid passport, a valid visa and a valid national ID card as a proof of identity for polling," said the consul-general.

Out of approximately 350,000 Pakistanis living in the UAE, an estimated 200,000 live in Dubai and Northern Emirates.

05-11-2006, 07:49 AM	#16 (permalink)
Srirangan *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 08-06-04 Location: New Delhi Posts: 3,030 Country:	And he's lived all his life and works fulltime as a journalist in UAE. How could he have voted even if there were elections.. ROFL! __________________ I rant, therefore I am.

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Tronic Navajo Code Talker *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 12-27-04 Location: Patiala, India Posts: 5,433 Country:	So no opponent??? And what was the referendum on??? __________________ *Nabha Sparasham Deeptam* *-Touch The Sky With Glory*

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Asim Aquil Banished *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 06-11-04 Location: Dubai Posts: 8,135 Country:	Should Musharraf become president or not? Referrendums are usually a constitutional method of obtaining public opinion and its legally binding.

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Tronic Navajo Code Talker *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 12-27-04 Location: Patiala, India Posts: 5,433 Country:	oh ok... and Asim, yea i know what a referendum is... just asking what it was on... lol

05-11-2006, 08:32 AM	#22 (permalink)
Asim Aquil Banished *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 06-11-04 Location: Dubai Posts: 8,135 Country:	People who voted for him thought he was our rightful leader! Pak Embassies followed the order, they thought he was the rightful leader.

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Srirangan *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 08-06-04 Location: New Delhi Posts: 3,030 Country:	You still haven't proved how Musharraf got "elected" and how you managed to vote for him while you were in UAE. It's just another of your lies Asim, the world knows that he's a military dictator with absolutely no rightful claim to the seat of power in Pakistan.

05-11-2006, 09:10 AM	#24 (permalink)
Asim Aquil Banished *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 06-11-04 Location: Dubai Posts: 8,135 Country:	Prove? Everyone voted!! Ask any overseas Pakistani on the net, the voting was being carried out in Embassies and consulates all over the world. I went to the one in Dubai. Email the consulate general and ask him if the consulate carried out the voting in the referrendum or not: paredub@emirates.net.ae You'll have your proof.

05-11-2006, 09:13 AM	#26 (permalink)
Srirangan *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 08-06-04 Location: New Delhi Posts: 3,030 Country:	Musharraf got 98% in his referandum, so did Saddam.

05-11-2006, 09:14 AM	#27 (permalink)
Srirangan *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 08-06-04 Location: New Delhi Posts: 3,030 Country:	It wasn't an election, Asim is flawed if he tries to claim that Musharraf was elected.

05-11-2006, 09:30 AM	#29 (permalink)
Asim Aquil Banished *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 06-11-04 Location: Dubai Posts: 8,135 Country:	OMG! Referrendum was held everywhere! not just in Pakistan!

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