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Old 04-22-2006, 01:04 AM   #61 (permalink)
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Paksitan an Asian Tiger?

Wow!!
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You should agree fully. Where were his reforms before 9/11
We were on the verge of defaulting, a country in financial crisis needs foreign assistance to initiate reforms.
Who war there to help except for the Saudis??

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Yes indeed, so was unprecedented regime of nepotism..

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Thats the spirit of democracy. Why should a general be leader of a country.
Military comes into power when civil governments fail.
Now who was incharge before Mushy ceized power?
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Paksitan an Asian Tiger?

Wow!!
Economically yes!
We've had five years of sustained growth, if the trend continues Pakistan will be an Asian tiger soon if not already.
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Now who was incharge before Mushy ceized power?
A democratically elected leader, Nawaz Sharif.

If things were not perfect, one cannot condemn democracy as a failure per se.

It is the fault of the system and the choice of the people of Pakistan who voted him into power!
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Military comes into power when civil governments fail.
Now who was incharge before Mushy ceized power?
Civilian governments fail because they are continously interfered by Military men. If one civilian government was corrupt it should be replaced by another not ended completely

As Ayaz Amir once said in an interview when asked the same quesiton

"Agar kisi ka operation karna ho aur eek doctor available na ho to us key liye aap dosra doctor latey hain na key kisi kasai ko lee atey hain"
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Ayaz Amir makes sense.
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Civilian governments fail because they are continously interfered by Military men. If one civilian government was corrupt it should be replaced by another not ended completely

As Ayaz Amir once said in an interview when asked the same quesiton

"Agar kisi ka operation karna ho aur eek doctor available na ho to us key liye aap dosra doctor latey hain na key kisi kasai ko lee atey hain"
I have a question, How does Pakistan address the below two problems.
Corruption is something very active in South East Asian politics. The million dollar question is that every time corruption is exposed in Pakistan, military ends up taking over.

Revival of democracy in Pakistan would be a sharade yet again until Pakistan can combat two issues.

A) Have an independent election commission backed by the Judicial system.

B) Pakistan needs 2 find a way of stopping its military interfering with governments.
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I have a question, How does Pakistan address the below two problems.
Corruption is something very active in South East Asian politics. The million dollar question is that every time corruption is exposed in Pakistan, military ends up taking over.

Revival of democracy in Pakistan would be a sharade yet again until Pakistan can combat two issues.

A) Have an independent election commission backed by the Judicial system.

B) Pakistan needs 2 find a way of stopping its military interfering with governments.

I wish these questions could be answered for these are the basics of a long lasting civilian rule in any country.
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I wish these questions could be answered for these are the basics of a long lasting civilian rule in any country.
Well these are the questions Pakistan needs to answer in order to have a proper democratic government.
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IS 2007 election year or not? The prime minister has just said it is. But other ruling party bigwigs, including Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain, continue to suggest that elections can be put off by a year, “constitutionally” they add, as if to show how utterly committed they are to constitutionalism and democracy. Why is doubt being created about the elections, which are absolutely crucial for our survival as a democratic nation and which bid fair to finally take us out of the morass of military and quasi-military rule? It is obvious that the fate of many ruling party stalwarts will be at stake in the polls and most of them owe their present positions to the patronage of the army and the last elections. They, therefore, have a vested interest in prolonging the existing set-up for as long as is possible. But any delay will be suicidal and will lead to complete lack of public trust in the government and deepen the alienation of the people.

If any case can be made out, it is for elections to be held earlier than scheduled so that we can move on to more representative and (perhaps) caring governance and make a fresh start to tackle crises such as in Balochistan and the tribal belt. It is interesting to note that the approach of elections is already making many nervous. The PML is allegedly seeking to lure away people even from its allied parties; the latter are protesting against the moves. More development funds are being sought by pro-government legislators for a splurge of activity in their constituencies. The prime minister is finally talking of the need for recent economic gains to reach the people. The president is said to be planning to address groups of loyal legislators and party conventions in what will be a totally unconstitutional role. There have also been suggestions that General Pervez Musharraf, who was deemed elected president for five years in 2004 by virtue of a vote of confidence (boycotted by the opposition and from which the MMA conveniently abstained by arrangement) and a constitutional amendment, should seek re-election from the existing assemblies by extending their term. The question of the general’s uniform remains vague and in doubt. All this is adding to the uncertainties besetting us. It is time the president called a halt to ministers and PML leaders creating doubts about the elections and categorically declared that elections would be held next year.

Once this is done, steps should be taken to make the Election Commission effectively independent, autonomous and accountable to parliament. It will be a tragedy if the next elections too are tarnished by pre-poll rigging and ballot stealing. It ought to be announced that all political parties and leaders will be allowed to take part. In trying to keep some exiled or self-exiled politicians out of the electoral exercise, the regime is allowing itself to be misled by those of its associates who may be left politically rudderless if the PML-N and PPP chiefs return. Gen Musharraf may have a good chance of continuing as a consensus civilian president provided he stops listening to some of those around him who have always supported dictatorships and authoritarian rule. He will also, obviously, have to overcome his own inclination to experiment with what he calls the “essence of democracy”.

http://www.dawn.com/2006/04/24/ed.htm
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By Anwer Mooraj

MOST Dawn readers who happen to chance on my Monday column, especially those who live in less violent parts of the world, have never heard me speak. But they will read these lines with the implication and inflection of an accent. Just as they do when they come across pieces of first person writing by former Pakistani prime ministers, chief ministers, retired generals, air marshals, admirals and ambassadors — of whom there suddenly appears to be an inordinately large number — with an excessive amount of time on their hands.

It may not necessarily be their accent. But it will be what they assume to be mine. It also doesn’t matter which of us is correct. We are all part of the assumption, snobbery and prejudice that go with writing in English.

For those who might be interested, my accent is a sort of late 1950’s Daily Worker, before it became The Morning Star. It isn’t, one hastens to add, the accent one speaks with — just the one that is used for writing. The accent used for speaking, started off in the 1960s as an all-purpose mandarin, a sort of refined Claude Rains, which went with the blazer and the old school tie. It was subsequently diluted with a bit of drop of Irish brogue, ever since this writer heard Barry Fitzgerald invite a group of Republicans to repair to a pub to talk a little treason.

The accent then changed over the years into an all-sorts medley as one came into contact with more and more Englishmen with regional and estuary accents. Eventually Claude Rains had to be read his last rites. The accent used for writing, however, hasn’t changed, which shows a certain consistency.

People who write with The Daily Worker accent and live in Pakistan are never at a loss for a subject. Every time they stir the witches’ brew fresh bubbles keep bobbing up to the surface. Like the recent visit of the prime minister to the United States and Spain along with 40 parliamentarians. The press release said it was to acquaint the parliamentarians with the working of the United Nations. Spain wasn’t mentioned in the handout.

It must, therefore, be assumed that as Spain doesn’t manufacture nuclear submarines or export AWACS, the purpose of the visit was educational and that somebody in the entourage must have been straining at the leash to discover the difference between the flamenco and the buleria, and the influence of the zarzuela on the development of Andalusian music. The visit was roundly condemned by journalists across the land. “The country doesn’t have money to rehabilitate earthquake victims and has to repeatedly pass around the beggar’s bowl,” said an angry correspondent. “But it has money to throw away on politicians for joy rides.” Another letter writer wanted to know why the prime minister didn’t just ask the Pakistan ambassador in Washington for material on how the United Nations operates. All it takes is an email. The next time the prime minister goes in for a bit of R&R he’d better come up with a more plausible excuse.

This writer was about to stir the pot once again when a newspaper cutting fell out of his scrap book. It was dated November 12, 1999, and was headed ‘Musharraf orders sale of luxury aircraft.’ The language has a certain old fashioned correctitude about it.

“With the revival of the terminally ill Pakistan economy high on his agenda, Chief Executive General Pervez Musharraf has ordered the sale of the two luxury aircraft which were in the use of deposed prime minister Nawaz Sharif.

“The two Boeing 737s would be replaced with an aircraft cheaper to operate as the cash-starved country could not afford luxury aircraft, an official statement in Islamabad said.

“General Musharraf has promised to cut wasteful expenditure to put the economy on the road to recovery and a massive drive begins on November 17 to recover more than two billion dollars in defaulted loans. A downsizing of the government also is on the cards, sources said.

“Nawaz Sharif, who now faces charges which carry a death sentence, is also being investigated for keeping a Russian-made helicopter for personal use without accounting for it in his tax returns.”

It made jolly good reading at the time. Interestingly enough, the reporter who carried the story didn’t bother to find out just why it was necessary for an unelected head of state of a fifth rate country to have an aircraft in the first place. After all, a former prime minister of Turkey, Tansu Ciller, didn’t have her own aircraft and preferred to travel by the national airline.

Then came the Reformation. The nation was informed in full page advertisements and television broadcasts that the New Order would set the country right, and bring back to the people what was rightfully theirs. The nation held its breath. In fact, six years later, it is still holding its breath and wondering when the president and the current prime minister are going to start implementing their grand plan.

All that the people have witnessed is a series of manoeuvres designed to ensure that no substantial or meaningful change ever takes place in the physical, mental or legal sense in the country. Vani is still being practised in Punjab. The iniquitous Hudood Ordinances are still firmly in place. Women are still being killed in Sindh on the slightest pretext, often with the connivance of the police. The job market is as bad as ever. And criminals move about with impunity. It is now beginning to appear that the present government doesn’t attach too much importance to these things.

The Reformation was carried out in two stages. Phase One started with the stifling of the PPP and the catapulting to power of the MMA, the installation of the government of the turncoats, supported by defectors who collectively still owe the nationalised banks billions of rupees, the election of an obscurantist speaker in the National Assembly who makes doubly sure that no progressive bill will ever get past a first reading, the initial appointment of a prime minister from a minority province who still owes the Agricultural Development Bank 400 million rupees.

Phase Two commenced with the globe trotting tours of the two top functionaries, each with hundreds of hangers-on who could quite easily have paid for their own ticket and hotel expenses, the purchase of a fleet of bullet-proof Mercedes Benzes, the destruction of the civil service, the snapping up of civilian jobs by retired military officials, the wining and dining of opposition politicians in an attempt to wean them over, the passing of the controversial 17th Amendment after the clergy demonstrated a remarkable degree of naivete, and finally the announcement by the spokesman of the government, the man with the two-stroke voice, who said that the people ought to get used to the idea that the president was going to be around for a very long time — naturally, wearing his uniform.

Meanwhile the people of Karachi continue to groan under conditions that worsen every year. There is a dreadful shortage of water and, in spite of the new German management in the KESC, load shedding continues unabated. The roads are in a dreadful state, litter dumps can be found at every corner and getting about is becoming almost impossible. On many thoroughfares pedestrians are finding it almost impossible to cross. And yet the city government continues to display tunnel vision by coming up with plans for more flyovers and underpasses.

What the city desperately needs is an underground railway from Merewether Tower to Tin Hatti and a surface rail connection to Sohrab Goth, with stops at regular intervals. A concerted attempt should also be made to revive the old circular railway with the data one already has and to stop the ridiculous practice of repeatedly sending for more and more consultants who keep raising the price.

One wonders what happened to that warm announcement that Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz made on that windy November day in 2001 when he formally inaugurated the circular railway. He said a mass transit project similar to the one at Karachi would be started at Lahore. He also said that 3.5 billion rupees would be spent on the complete renovation of the circular railway, and that previous governments had neglected the project. But...wait for it...the present government is paying full attention to this department. The people of Karachi are still waiting.

http://www.dawn.com/2006/04/24/op.htm
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Elections under Musharraf unacceptable: Benazir, Nawaz

* Say they will meet again on May 14
* They intend to return to Pakistan together
* ‘US backing Musharraf counter-productive to achieving stability’

LONDON: The Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz and the Pakistan People’s Party would not accept any date for elections announced by President General Pervez Musharraf, exiled former prime ministers Muhammad Nawaz Sharif and Benazir Bhutto told a crowded press conference after their much-awaited meeting on Monday.

Both leaders termed their meeting a historical step forward towards restoring “real democracy” in Pakistan. Musharraf’s regime is illegal and both parties will work out a joint strategy to oust the sitting government, they said. “Nawaz and Benazir will meet again on May 14,” they told reporters. They demanded that cases registered against political leaders be withdrawn. “We will not, under any circumstances, accept an elections’ date announced by Musharraf,” they reiterated.

They expressed concern over the deteriorating law and order situation in Balochistan, and the escalated tension in North and South Waziristan. They said they intended to return to Pakistan together, but would take a final decision in the meeting scheduled for May 14.

“We want to go back. We are very keen to go back and it is our candid and considered view that the elections cannot be held in a fair and free manner unless and until the two main leaders go back to the country and participate in the election campaign,” said Nawaz. Benazir said that while Musharraf had put many obstacles in their path to prevent their return, she believed there was a chance. “I am planning to go back to Pakistan for the elections of 2007 and I will be discussing this with Nawaz Sharif,” she said.

Bhutto and Sharif both said they were committed to fighting terrorism and that Washington’s backing of Musharraf was counter-productive to achieving long-term stability in Pakistan.

“The US should have its friendship not with one individual in the country,” said Nawaz. “It should make the people of Pakistan its friends, otherwise this present US policy is serving nothing else but alienating the 150 million people of the country,” he said. The PML-N leader said the opposition coalition had three demands: the 1973 constitution be restored, that the amendments to the constitution made by Musharraf not be recognised and that free and fair elections be held.

Bhutto said she believed their absence from the political stage was playing into the hands of parties exploiting religious and ethnic sentiments and that the only way to ensure a moderate Pakistan was to restore a pluralistic democracy.

“The issue really is: where does Pakistan go in the future? Is democracy, which has been promoted by the United States and the international community as a way to undermine terrorism, going to be applied to Pakistan or not?” she said.

“We believe that if this political vacuum continues then a moderate Pakistan will be very difficult to achieve.” Former prime ministers Benazir Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif have been in exile for several years and President Pervez Musharraf, who is widely expected to stay in office after the elections, has vowed to block their return to power.

Bhutto and Sharif were bitter rivals in the 1990s but formed the Alliance for the Restoration of Democracy after Musharraf seized power in 1999 coup. Agencies
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default...5-4-2006_pg7_3

Accceptable or not, the reality is that they have to accept elections under Musharraf.

Of course it will not be fair, but then beggars cannot be choosers.

Nor have they the following to do a Nepal.

They might as well like down and enjoy it!
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‘PPP will not merge with any party’



SWABI: Interior Minister and President of Pakistan Peoples Party Sherpao (PPP-S), Aftab Ahmad Khan Sherpao on Monday, praised the successful policies of President Pervez Musharraf on the internal and foreign fronts and said that his party would not merge with any party. “PPP will not merge with any party and we will compete every other party in the elections”, Sherpao declared while addressing a public meeting.

Sherpao criticised the MMA leadership for failing to resolve the socio-economic problems of the NWFP people, despite being the governing party of the province. He said, issues could not be resolved just by using Islam’s name, practical measures had to be taken as done by President General Pervez Musharraf through his people-friendly policies. Terming President Musharraf as a true servant of Islam and the country, Sherpao said that with the announcement of the NFC Award by the President, the provinces would get additional funds of Rs 52 billion including Rs 11.5 billion for the NWFP. He said that it was due to the policies of President Musharraf that the country’s position and image had improved in the world and the democratic institutions were gaining strength.

Sherpao also referred to the announcement of special development funds of Rs 100 million for district Swabi by President Musharraf during his visit to the district. He recounted the development works and other welfare projects initiated during his tenure as the NWFP chief minister and vowed to arrange funds to complete the un-finished work on some projects. APP
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‘Election boycott only way to oust Musharraf’

* Achakzai says Balochistan issue be handed over to a jirga for peaceful resolution
* Says system, not leader must be changed

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PESHAWAR: “The boycott of the coming elections by all political parties is the only way to oust President Musharraf and send the army back to the barracks,” Mahmood Khan Achakzai, the chairman of Pakhtunkhwa Milli Awami Party (PkMAP) said on Monday.

Speaking at a ‘Meet the Press’ programme at the Peshawar Press Club, Achakzai stressed the need for the unity of all pakhtuns to achieve the rights they were deprived of and demanded that the Balochistan problem be handed over to a jirga that would solve it peacefully.

The PkMAP chief said that the 21st century was an era of technology and equality, therefore, the pakhtuns ought to get up and demand for their rights. He said his party respected all religions, beliefs, races, nationalities and languages as the world was becoming a global village. Achakzai said pakhtuns were being branded as terrorists, which was wrong. “Pakhtuns are a peaceful and disciplined nation,” he said. He said history showed that pakhtuns existed even at the time of Hazrat Esa (AS) in this part of the world.

Achakzai said pakhtun areas were rich in natural resources and the natural resources were their property. He said his party was not against Pakistan. However, he said, it would not accept the supremacy of the Punjab that had captured the resources of the pakhtuns.

Achakzai said PkMAP wanted genuine democracy in the country according to the Pakistan Resolution, 1940 and equal rights for all communities living in Pakistan. He said that the public institutions of the country had been ruined. “There is no democracy. There is no constitution,” he said, adding, “We don’t want to break Pakistan, we only want our rights.” He said President Musharraf’s resignation alone would not solve the problems faced by Pakistan. “We should have a system under which the army and the intelligence would not interfere in the political affairs of the country and they would be restricted to the barracks,” Achakzai said.

He said the system should also guarantee freedom for the people along with the freedom of expression and all the institutions including the assemblies should be free of the army’s pressure.

Achakzai said pakhtuns were deprived of their right of rivers and water bodies. “We own the waters but our lands are barren particularly in the southern districts,” he said. He said that though three assemblies had rejected the proposed Kalabagh dam in the past, President Musharraf said he would go ahead with the construction of the dam. He said President Musharraf only wanted to please the Punjab.

Achakzai demanded that the judges favouring martial law be sacked so that they would be an example for others. He said the Balochistan problem could not be solved through the use of guns. The matter should be referred to a jirga, which would settle it peacefully.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default...-4-2006_pg7_17
I wonder how a boycott would actually oust Musharraf. He will still have votes which will indicate that he is a clear winner!

Of course, it will embarrass him, but since when has embarrassment bothered him?

It appears that there is a great resentment amongst the people of Pakistan against Punjab since there are repeated airing of such sentiments from leaders who are not from Punjab, at regular intervals.

It also appears that the govt does everything to appease Punjab
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