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Old 04-07-2006, 12:39 PM   #91 (permalink)
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I didn't say the rebels were any better.
Infact, no one is that bad as Albanians. NO-ONE.

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But my point still stands - Slobadan was a ethnic cleansing 'bad guy'...
‘Ethnic cleansing bad guy’ is an attribute that suits better to Albainans (or Croatian President Tudjman if you want) since they were the ones who ethnically cleansed Kosovo (and Krajina). And we are talking more than 500-600.000 people altogether. But you didn't mentioned them in that context.

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...by any objective standard...
But you didn’t apply those standards when judging about Albanians.

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...and he did not step down by voluntary means.
I would know that better since I had a few clashes with his police.
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Old 04-07-2006, 12:42 PM   #92 (permalink)
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‘Ethnic cleansing bad guy’ is an attribute that suits better to Albainans (or Croatian President Tudjman if you want) since they were the ones who ethnically cleansed Kosovo (and Krajina). And we are talking more than 500-600.000 people altogether. But you didn't mentioned them in that context.
I don't understand.

You two seem to think that Albanian terrorists were helped greatly by UN intervention; what I see is that the genocide has stopped.

Murder is just that, whether committed by a Serb or a Croat or an Albanian or a little green man from Mars. UN intervention has severely curtailed that.

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Thank you for proving my point, then
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Old 04-07-2006, 12:47 PM   #93 (permalink)
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Kniks, I replied to the Tornado thread.



What straw man BS is this?

'Free democracy'? Are you taking the piss?

Are you going to tell me Serbia only murdered Albanian terrorists in those mass graves?

Please also stop with the 'I'm tough because I'm asking seemingly unanswerable questions...' when in fact they're rubbish.
Listen, Serbia is a democracy ok....
You know who is the leader of Kosovo right now, since Rugova's death? A murderer... If you don't believe just check it out on the net or elsewhere, you'll see what i mean.
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Old 04-07-2006, 12:52 PM   #94 (permalink)
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Listen, Serbia is a democracy ok....
Keyword here: is.

I.e. the present tense.

Back in the 90s, I seem to remember him being a dictator, dispelling your 'democratic' notion, and running somewhat of a genocidal police state, as our Serbian friend kniks here mentioned, dispelling your notion of a 'free' democracy.
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Old 04-07-2006, 12:59 PM   #95 (permalink)
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Keyword here: is.

I.e. the present tense.

Back in the 90s, I seem to remember him being a dictator, dispelling your 'democratic' notion, and running somewhat of a genocidal police state, as our Serbian friend kniks here mentioned, dispelling your notion of a 'free' democracy.
Don't break my b**** with the past, cause my question was "why do the US still support the albanian terrorists in Kosovo?". (you know, UCK?)
In my question there is the answer: The US didn't care about the so-called genocide, all they wanted was to support albanians in the area.
At the end there will be only albanians left in the Balkans....
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Old 04-07-2006, 13:07 PM   #96 (permalink)
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Wasn't this discussion about Milosevic?

Whether or not the UN should continue doing what it's doing now with Albanian terrorists, I can't comment, because I'm not knowledgeable in present Balkan conditions, and neither did I purport to comment on it.

Regardless, what the Albanian terrorists are doing now, genocide? If it's not that, then you've got a pro-Serb persecution complex.
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Old 04-07-2006, 13:11 PM   #97 (permalink)
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I can't comment, because I'm not knowledgeable in present Balkan conditions
So, listen to those who know...
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Old 04-07-2006, 13:13 PM   #98 (permalink)
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So, listen to those who know...
If they provide at least a modicum of evidence, I will.

And answer the rest of the post.
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Old 04-07-2006, 13:19 PM   #99 (permalink)
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Are you going to tell me Serbia only murdered Albanian terrorists in those mass graves?
Mass graves? I don’t remember that was too many of them with Albanians in. Either way, if there was I would define them as collateral damage (i'm not sarcastic) although I do regret any innocent vivtim. Fcukin' Shiptars were always using their women and children as live shields. Although I do agree that this is the good way to get support of public opinion.

Most famous, Rachak, was gathered combat kills. Team of Finnish patologues prooved that.

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You two seem to think that Albanian terrorists were helped greatly by UN intervention; what I see is that the genocide has stopped.

Murder is just that, whether committed by a Serb or a Croat or an Albanian or a little green man from Mars. UN intervention has severely curtailed that.
Don’t put me in the same basket with him, if anything because I live in the country we are talking about. And I KNOW what was/is going on here. That was the NATO intervention besides Security Council.

Yes, NATO helped the islamic terrorists and separatist, allowing them to kill more than 2.000 Serbian civilians (genocide), banish 200.000-300.000 (ethnic cleansing) let alone material damage. But you didn’t mentioned that. Everything is tolerated to Albanians even now.

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'Free democracy'?
BTW, you are trying to say that I’m living in non-democratic country. Mr. Solana wouldn’t agree with that.

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Thank you for proving my point, then
No problem when you are right.
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Old 04-07-2006, 13:32 PM   #100 (permalink)
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[quote=kNikS]Everything is tolerated to Albanians even now. QUOTE]

And this is only the beginning. Soon Kosovo will become independant, then it will become part of Albania (you know the principle of "Great Albania"?). Then who knows? This nation should'nt even exist, they are like the Turks, arrogant & bloodthirsty.
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Wasn't this discussion about Milosevic?
Whoever is the 'bad guy'. And Albanians are moving the standards every day.

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Whether or not the UN should continue doing what it's doing now with Albanian terrorists, I can't comment, because I'm not knowledgeable in present Balkan conditions, and neither did I purport to comment on it.
Please comment, but take into account all facts. BTW I am more than knowledgable in Balkans conditions.

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Regardless, what the Albanian terrorists are doing now, genocide? If it's not that, then you've got a pro-Serb persecution complex.
History of Ethnic Cleansing
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Old 04-07-2006, 19:36 PM   #102 (permalink)
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You two seem to think that Albanian terrorists were helped greatly by UN intervention; what I see is that the genocide has stopped.
1) It was not a UN intervention. In fact, the UN did not authorize it at all. It was a NATO intervention.

2) There was no genocide. It was ethnic cleansing. A hell of a big difference.

3) Ethnic cleansing did not start until the onslaught of Operation Allied Force.

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Murder is just that, whether committed by a Serb or a Croat or an Albanian or a little green man from Mars. UN intervention has severely curtailed that.
Again, it's NATO, not UN and we gave the ethnic Albanians what they wanted when they started their blood campaign. We won their independence for them.
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Old 04-07-2006, 21:24 PM   #103 (permalink)
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how can u believe that there is no corruption?
Show me where I said there was no corruption, or consider yourself a dumb ass.
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Do u think that since you live in a "democracy" that resolves all the problems?
The USA is a Republic, not a democracy.
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About Bush: ok, so 4 u he rules?
Little fella, I'm not even in the same party as Bush.
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nothing he has done or said can be critisized?
I do it all the time, but I do insist it's at least based in fact. That's where you've failed.
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Maybe he's an American President he has done good job (i mean in internal politics), i don't know i don't live there, but as an international political personnality he is pityfull.
That's funny, because I agree with very little of his internal politics, though I do dig the changes in foreign policy.
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In that way Clinton was much more better.
You do realize Clinton is the one who made regime change in Iraq part of American policy right? Best thing Clinton ever did...
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Do u understand what i'm talking about when i say that great powers = great responsabilities? If what u say is true we can say ok, Bush is an idiot, but since it's for the defence of your country's interests it's legitime... Serving your personnal interests is ok, everyone's doing it,
Even France, with it's support of the massmurderers in Iraq.
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forcing the others to serve your interests is not acceptable.
Was that sarcasm? In other posts you've fully supported socialism as "fair".
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The war in Irak? Going there and ignoring the legitimacy of the UN?
The UN was in Saddam's pocket, did they let you hear about the Oil for Food scandals there, and was having no effect.
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Presenting to the world fake and ridiculous proves about mass destruction weapons?
Alot of the intel about Iraq came from places like France.
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Lying to the world isn't enough for u?
I hear about this "lie" alot, but have yet to see anyone anywhere prove it.
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This is classic, you all say the same argument.
Maybe it's because we don't like tyrants.
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I didn't listen to any americans protest against the presence of "a bunch of tyrrans" at the time...
I guess you must not have been listening.
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Why did you use UN so many times, if its totally crap???
Ummmm, do you even read what you quote? He answered your question already.
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end of discussion
Feel free to go anytime you wish, you haven't contributed anything here anyway.
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Russia a tyrany? Since when?
They have far less freedom than you do, far less.
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the gooooood guys against the baaaaaaaad guys.
You just described life itself.
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since you've became guided figurines of the americans...
And you French were in the pockets of Saddam. The UK goes it's own way, they had their debates, and decided people like Saddam weren't worth supporting.
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do you really think that Albanian terrorists that challenged Milosevic were the ‘good guys’?
Clinton thought they were, but they are just more scum bag terrorists...
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DAvid i am NOT french, i am greek
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DAvid i am NOT french, i am greek
You sure do love 'em alot though...
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