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Old 03-01-2006, 09:59 AM   #16 (permalink)
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That blows it for me. There's no way possible.
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While I agree that this number is extremely high, I wouldn't be surprised by a number that is higher than the general public given that many of the soldiers are on a second or third tour, and thus staying abreast of current news isn't feasible unless a soldier makes it a personal priority. So, it's possible that many of the views held may be what a person thought in 2002/2003 - they've just been too busy to keep informed.
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Old 03-01-2006, 10:43 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Did you order the Code Red?

You're g**damn right I did!
LOL...Jack Nicholson.....I can watch that movie over and over.

Tom Cruise is usually a little pompous ass in his movies, but Jack definitely had him intimidated and the upper hand on him in that one.
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Old 03-01-2006, 10:58 AM   #18 (permalink)
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For a slightly different poll whose sample frame attempted to capture the entire Army population and its views, here's a link

http://www.militarycity.com/polls/2005_aboutside.php

Notice how it discusses its methodology, how the sample frame doesn't match the population (why they didn't weight the sample responses to replicate the population, I don't know, as this correction isn't too difficult), and provides an email for researchers to write to if they wish to get the data.

Since the population that it captures is different than the Zogby poll, you cannot compare the two side by side; however, you can compare the transparency of the two side by side and see where the Zogby poll is lacking.
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Old 03-01-2006, 19:36 PM   #19 (permalink)
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one wonders if there would have been this level of questioning regarding accuracy if the results were more in line with our preconceived notions!
I think all polls are poo, call a different neighborhood, get different answers. Polls that won't even discuss the methods used, and provide the questions asked, are just fun to rag on.
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While I agree that this number is extremely high, I wouldn't be surprised by a number that is higher than the general public given that many of the soldiers are on a second or third tour, and thus staying abreast of current news isn't feasible unless a soldier makes it a personal priority. So, it's possible that many of the views held may be what a person thought in 2002/2003 - they've just been too busy to keep informed.
There have never been that many people believing Saddam was a key player in 9/11. Probably less people than that believe the Taliban were a key player in 9/11.
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Old 03-01-2006, 21:52 PM   #21 (permalink)
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There have never been that many people believing Saddam was a key player in 9/11. Probably less people than that believe the Taliban were a key player in 9/11.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...oll-iraq_x.htm

This poll cites 70%. I didn't read into methodologies, questions, etc., but I wasn't dreaming that the number had been high at one point.
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http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...oll-iraq_x.htm

This poll cites 70%. I didn't read into methodologies, questions, etc., but I wasn't dreaming that the number had been high at one point.
even 70% is a far cry from 90%. Funny part is, people are either making the connection up for themselves, or are listening to Democrat rhetoric and reading it the opposite way the Dems meant it.
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even 70% is a far cry from 90%. Funny part is, people are either making the connection up for themselves, or are listening to Democrat rhetoric and reading it the opposite way the Dems meant it.
Agreed on the 90% v. 70% difference. It all goes back to Snipe's comment in another thread - most Americans are not politically informed and depend on talking points/PR messages to make up their mind.
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I always thought that we kicked Saddam out of there because he was being a pain in the ass. Also to show that we can do it. Sometimes brute force is the only way to communicate to some people.
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A few links that include the questions and raw data, and an interview with Zogby. At first look, some of the questions are leading or loaded, and the demographics seem very skewed. I'll post more later.

http://www.radioblogger.com/#001430
http://www.radioblogger.com/#001431
http://hughhewitt.com/archives/2006/...ex.php#a001523
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Agreed on the 90% v. 70% difference. It all goes back to Snipe's comment in another thread - most Americans are not politically informed and depend on talking points/PR messages to make up their mind.

Insert paid political message here...
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Zogby isn't exactly the poster boy for non-partisan polling and polling accuracy.

Remember this is the guy that had Kerry winning with a 311 in the electoral college.

This poll was supposedly paid for by an anti-war activist or group.(I've seen this mentioned a couple of times but never a person/groups name, anyone have the answer on that one? Shek?)
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The poll, conducted in conjunction with Le Moyne College’s Center for Peace and Global Studies...
This line always bothered me...
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Hewitt interviewed Zogby about it yesterday and Zogby got pissed that Hugh was asking real questions and hung up.

Zogby's not to be taken seriously in my opinion, and I don't trust anything he touches.

Hewitt's blog.

Radioblogger blog. Hewitt's producer and storer of the podcasts and transcripts. (scroll down a bit on both)

Give it a listen and draw your own conclusions.

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http://www.google.com/search?q=Le+Mo...en-US:official

This group is way pinko pacifist.

I would say that odds are this poll said exactly what they PAID for it to say. IMO, it's pure Junk.

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