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    Quote Originally Posted by rotorooter
    You need to follow the news.
    Islamic republic of Iran also has elections.
    Fake elections
    "Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. It is a weapon our adversaries in today's world do not have."
    "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'"

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    Quote Originally Posted by nickshepAK
    Yawn... Whats your point?
    What's yours?
    "Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. It is a weapon our adversaries in today's world do not have."
    "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'"

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    Quote Originally Posted by rotorooter
    You need to follow the news.
    Islamic republic of Iran also has elections.
    You truly believe that the regime built from the terror had true democracy???

    Ignorance .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enzo Ferrari
    Ignorance.
    That summarizes this guys whole existence.
    "Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. It is a weapon our adversaries in today's world do not have."
    "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'"

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    Quote Originally Posted by rotorooter
    Let me guess, you are a right wing person? enough said.
    I make my observations above mainly as a person whose brain hasn't been eaten by worms, political leanings notwithstanding.

    Does it hurt when they do it? Or are you mainly numb? I don't think the brain has any pain receptors.

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    There is a lot of diference between a President and the Congressman or a public leader.

    I am sure that this thread will be as interesting as the "craphole forum" threads and so I will sit back and enjoy and not rave and rant.

    Seconds out of the ring. Wipe your gloves. Box on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rotorooter
    So you want to blame the congress? Didin't somebody say, "the buck stops here" ?
    He's dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rotorooter
    You need to follow the news.
    Islamic republic of Iran also has elections.
    But the mullahs make the final decisions, not the elected bodies. In Iraq, the elected body will make the decisions. Theocracy is not democracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enzo Ferrari
    You truly believe that the regime built from the terror had true democracy???

    Ignorance .

    Try to use some brain, this was in reply to somebody saying that Iraq had elections therefore Iraq is democratic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shek
    But the mullahs make the final decisions, not the elected bodies. In Iraq, the elected body will make the decisions. Theocracy is not democracy.

    Didn't Iran have an election recently in which they elected a right wing hard liner President?

    Mullahs like Sistani and his bunch have fair amount of say in the Iraqi political process. The main Iraqi party is called Supreme Council of Islamic Revolution in Iraq.

    That is why the new constitution of Iraq declares Iraq to be officially an Islamic nation, where laws would be based in Islamic rules (Sharia).

    Enough said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rotorooter
    Didn't Iran have an election recently in which they elected a right wing hard liner President?
    Once again, the mullahs are in power and make the final decisions.



    Quote Originally Posted by rotorooter
    Mullahs like Sistani and his bunch have fair amount of say in the Iraqi political process. The main Iraqi party is called Supreme Council of Islamic Revolution in Iraq.
    SCIRI not a majority power. They are currently in a Shia coalition that only captured a plurality of the vote, a percentage that will decline as the Sunni become involved in the election.

    The role of clerics will be an advisory role in Iraq, not a ruling role like in Iran.

    Quote Originally Posted by rotorooter
    That is why the new constitution of Iraq declares Iraq to be officially an Islamic nation, where laws would be based in Islamic rules (Sharia).
    Enough said.
    However, Islam is not the only source and rights such as gender equality and the enshrinement of people rule is a progressive idea not rooted in Islam.

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    Huh? Aren't they having a free election to decide on their own constitution? The Kurds would never allow a fascist Islamic Republic for starters. You might want to stop reading DU for five minutes and actually read what the proposed Iraq constitution says.
    Quote Originally Posted by rotorooter
    You need to follow the news.
    Islamic republic of Iran also has elections.
    Notice I said "free elections". Big difference between free elections and the sham that was called elections in Iran recently. But then again you probably believe that Saddam really did get 99% of the vote right? They did have an "election" afterall.

    You still haven't answered my question.

    Do you think all those people quoted in my first post lied?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbiker
    So your answer is basically "yeah, but...."

    So are you saying that you think that all those people lied as well?



    Huh? Aren't they having a free election to decide on their own constitution? The Kurds would never allow a fascist Islamic Republic for starters. You might want to stop reading DU for five minutes and actually read what the proposed Iraq constitution says.
    consitition means not a penny when it is brought from outside.... sunnys are clearly opposing consitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leader
    Fake elections
    yes, every elections that are not approved by US must be fake.... US was the only state that considered elections at Venezuela fake.... while all independent observes have confirmed them valid.

    In fact US election system is one of the few which allows a person who got less votes to win only because it is a dual stage system.... look at both Bush elections especially the first

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enzo Ferrari
    You truly believe that the regime built from the terror had true democracy???

    Ignorance .
    Enzo, you have little idea of what a great transition Iran is going through right now. Visit it several times and you get much better oppinion than the one brainwashed by Fox News and CNN.... or at least watch some other news agencies sometimes like BBC, Euronews - somebody who may give you other oppinions as well.

    By the way it is quite interesting to visit by itself for a vacation - very interesting country. If you speak to people, eat their food, try to understand them you may get your own insights.

    Iran is actually a true democracy in terms of how people's wishes form a political landscape inside the country...... what is going on there clearly resembles me a Gorbachev's perestroika.

    Regarding terror - US has sponsored so many coups and cruel guerillas like contras or Chliean secret police and coup.... Same way Iran sponsors fighting organizations in other countries. Good thing is that US seems has little interest to continue this policy while being rulled by Clinton in 1990-es.
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