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    Not weight. More like extra time. Marching at 8000 ft is a whole different ballgame than at sea level. Going up and down canyons is more difficult than trudging down the interstate. (as I am sure you intimately well know)

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    Quote Originally Posted by bonehead
    Not weight. More like extra time. Marching at 8000 ft is a whole different ballgame than at sea level. Going up and down canyons is more difficult than trudging down the interstate. (as I am sure you intimately well know)
    I'll try to pull up some articles on soldiers' loads - it is an art as much as it is a science, and in the end, you always seem to carry too much (packing for a rainy day! syndrome). When you talk about foot marching standards, you're talking about "standard courses" that are near sea level (outside of Fort Carson, Colorado, which is at around 5,000 ft) and are flat to rolling. Once you actually get to truly tactical scenarios and not fitness scenarios, then you have different planing factors (woods, underbrush, altitude, terrain, etc.).

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    In a tactical roadmarch the order of the day is, "No matter how fast, how far, and how hard, suck it up and drive on to the mission objectives."

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    Quote Originally Posted by shek
    I'll try to pull up some articles on soldiers' loads - it is an art as much as it is a science, and in the end, you always seem to carry too much (packing for a rainy day! syndrome). When you talk about foot marching standards, you're talking about "standard courses" that are near sea level (outside of Fort Carson, Colorado, which is at around 5,000 ft) and are flat to rolling. Once you actually get to truly tactical scenarios and not fitness scenarios, then you have different planing factors (woods, underbrush, altitude, terrain, etc.).
    Here's a link on soldiers' loads (in this article, it is actually a Marine's load, but it correlates with Army research). If you can get your hands on FM 21-18, it has a lot more info. However, it is password protected to restrict access, and I don't post information that can't be gathered through an open source. Sorry.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...t/1992/EWL.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by shek
    I'll try to pull up some articles on soldiers' loads - it is an art as much as it is a science, and in the end, you always seem to carry too much (packing for a rainy day! syndrome). When you talk about foot marching standards, you're talking about "standard courses" that are near sea level (outside of Fort Carson, Colorado, which is at around 5,000 ft) and are flat to rolling. Once you actually get to truly tactical scenarios and not fitness scenarios, then you have different planing factors (woods, underbrush, altitude, terrain, etc.).
    The "planning factors" are what I am after.

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    What the hell do you think of putting women in at the expense of losing combat veterans


    The point that you're not getting is that women are NOT our equals. They're different. They have different standards and hence different results.





    What do you think?



    What do they disagree with? That they should lose a combat veteran so that a rookie woman could take his place?



    The Captain has already answered those points.



    We've done it and the results are less than satisfying.




    Invalid comparison. Should be a trained rugby player against rugby player or cop against cop. In either case, given equal training, I will bet on the man. Wing Chun Kung Fu was developed by a woman for women and it's most famous practioner was Bruce Lee.



    Still will NOT compare to the rest of the men in the unit.



    Not in the army, they don't. I know I didn't.



    You should. Even if you fail, you will know where you're lacking SPECIFICALLY and whether you can achieve that goal or not.




    The army doesn't send you where you want to go. The army sends you where you're needed and the army does not need to women in the combat arms so that you can have the warm fuzzies.



    Too old and too arrogant to care and you will have a rude awakening next year if you think I'm not restrained.


    Privilledge? Son, the only good thing about combat is its ending. The reason why I want to stay a single gender force is that it MAXIMIZES everybody's chances of getting out alive.

    It maximizes everyones chance of staying alive? How freaking NAIVE ARE TAKE A LOOK AROUND!! Your right Woman and men are physically different and physcilogical, if youve ever been married you'd know. Being Male or female has nothing to do with your ability to stay alive longer. Look at all the ND's (negligent discharges) in theatre you have one guy killing another becasue of his inability to handle a weapon. But were not all over that saying oh woman are more capable because LOOK THEY HAVNT SHOT THEIR OWN DAMN BUDDY IN THEATRE. ARROGANT, If you've had the opportunity to work with some hard working females you wouldnt be debating this. I feel sorry for you cause your Mind are your eyes are closed so damn tight. A female Captain was out with the PPCLI as a forward observation officer. She took an rpg right in the face. Is that because she was a female and she couldnt stop it, your right a guy could have done something better right? The guys Getting blown up with IED's, it must be becasue that damn woman driver who just got blown up too didnt see the IED. The Vehicle that just got blown up ahead of you, has nothing but body parts in it and now you have to go pick up your friends body parts, your right that sort of incident wouldnt affect a male soldier and his mental state at all it would do more mental damage to the female. What about the Artillery soldier with 1 RCHA who took his weapon and shot himeself in the head, in his room because of phycilogical problems. Male or female this **** happens and Its ridiculouse to seperate them by using the excuse they are physically and mentally different. You obviously havnt worked with any females in a real combat situation where you had to experience a horrible incident. This whole forum bout woman is ridiculouse. And any candian bashing woman in the forces on here is just as arrogant.

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    Listen here, young lady. At 19, you have yet to go out into the field and your IP says you're in Ottawa.

    And I would thank you if you get the good Captain Goddard's name and unit right. She was 1 RCHA.

    No, I have not worked with women in combat situation mainly because they were far and few in between in UNPROFOR. If you don't like the way dinosaurs have survived their scars, then you are invited to leave.

    If you want to participate, get back to us once you cleared Battle School.
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    Having served 20 years in the AF, I honestly don't know if I could have handled being in a combat situation!

    Of course if I had been in a position to be sent overseas during the Gulf War, I would have done the best that I could.

    Once I had my kids, it would have been really hard for me!

    It was hard enough having to leave them behind for a year when I went to Korea!
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    Women in combat

    I am ok with them sending my exwife into combat, preferably on the front lines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny W View Post
    I am ok with them sending my exwife into combat, preferably on the front lines.
    Good one!

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