DO you have proof that China is sponsoring terrorist and criminal elements in Nepal? if anything, China is (for its self interest) very supportive of the current Communist led coalition governmentChines sponsored or Pakistan sponsored terrorist and criminal elements.
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Don't know if China is sponsoring the terrorists, but all terrorist and guerrilla elements in the East are fast turning and shifting base to China. After the joint crackdowns on these groups in Nepal, Bhutan, Bangladesh and Burma, it seems they feel China is a safe place to shift camp to. Infact, ULFA is already alleged to have camps on the Myanmar-China border.Originally Posted by xinhui
Nabha Sparasham Deeptam
-Touch The Sky With Glory
terrorism is bad for business and that is a fat pointing finger. care to cite creditable western source?
“the misery of being exploited by capitalists is nothing compared to the misery of not being exploited at all” -- Joan Robinson
What makes you think west would care about a guerrilla war raging in a remote part of India? Especially since it took a 9/11 to open their eyes to terrorist camps in Pakistan!
Many top fish of ULFA have been captured in the past few weeks. And interrogations confirmed what Indian intelligence had already been saying:
ULFA confesses to link with China - TIMESNOW.tv - Latest Breaking News, Big News Stories, News Videos
The Telegraph - Calcutta (Kolkata) | Nation | Ulfa Barua ‘back in China’
Secondly, there is no denying the fact that the terrorist leadership is looking up North to China, with the Nepalis, Bhutanese, Bangladeshis and even the Burmese playing game with the Indian government in hunting down these terrorist leaders. Hell, Rajkhowa was trying to to get his ass out of Bangladesh before the Bangladeshi and possibly Indian intelligence nabbed him. Only safe country for these guys to operate in the neighbourhood as of now, is China.
Nabha Sparasham Deeptam
-Touch The Sky With Glory
The west cares a great deal about the stability of South Asia and terrorism in general. Obama spends up to 25 hrs a week studding the Af-pak theater before the current surge.
The PRC government might be many things in the eyes of the Indian, but harboring "all terrorist and guerrilla elements in the East" is not one of them.
In your first reply, the phases you used were "Don't know if China is sponsoring the terrorists" and "ULFA is already alleged to have"
2 hours later, those phases have become "interrogations confirmed" and "there is no denying the fact"
They might try escape to China, but China will not allow any terrorist organization to operate within its boarder, especially in light of the current political objective of "engaging" the South Asia governments.
“the misery of being exploited by capitalists is nothing compared to the misery of not being exploited at all” -- Joan Robinson
Keywords. Af-Pak.
Sorry Xinhui, thats a little unfair.
Alright, I'll concede my poor choice of words in using the word "alleged". Point is, Indian officials have said about the existance of ULFA camps in Myanmar-China border, and I've provided you the link relating to the confession of the two leaders of ULFA that were caught who have stated the same. As I said earlier, I don't know if the Chinese are sponsoring these groups, but I do know that these groups are heading North.The PRC government might be many things in the eyes of the Indian, but harboring "all terrorist and guerrilla elements in the East" is not one of them.
In your first reply, the phases you used were "Don't know if China is sponsoring the terrorists" and "ULFA is already alleged to have"
2 hours later, those phases have become "interrogations confirmed" and "there is no denying the fact"
Secondly,
[but all terrorist and guerrilla elements in the East are fast turning and shifting base to China.]
is no different than:
[there is no denying the fact that the terrorist leadership is looking up North to China]
As of now, the Indian government has finally started looking east and groups such as ULFA are being hunted out of the neighbourhood. It is clear, that they now have no sanctuary in Nepal, Bhutan, Bangladesh and even Myanmar to a certain extent. There is only one possible sanctuary left for the ULFA, so only time will tell where ULFA ends up.They might try escape to China, but China will not allow any terrorist organization to operate within its boarder, especially in light of the current political objective of "engaging" the South Asia governments.
Nabha Sparasham Deeptam
-Touch The Sky With Glory
Do you want a A4 sized letter head of the PRC Govt. acknowledging its involvement in funding and arming most non-state actors in South Asia, massacaring civilians, along with their signature and possibly rubber stamp?
If yes : No I don't have.
Otherwise, people who are manning the borders and people who are fighting it out, don't need either "your required proof" or any acknowledgement from the PRC or GoP. Arms and ammo from Chinese ordinance factories are littering the entire region. For starters, the terrorist activities in India... the Mumbai attacks, the ordinance/grenades used by the militants, the activities of Taliban in Afghanistan, the killing of king's family in Nepal, the revolt by BDR officials in Bangladesh, all are related by a thin thread having its roots in Pakistan and China.
And on the sixth day, God created the Field Artillery...
Deltacamelately
Give me a break.
Ok, then, there is no point for me to reply to this point thread anymore.If yes : No I don't have.
“the misery of being exploited by capitalists is nothing compared to the misery of not being exploited at all” -- Joan Robinson
Have full one.
Tone it up with the undenialblefact that China had opposed the banning of Jamaat-ud-Dawa and its head Hafiz Saeed along with Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi last year even after the US placed the outfit and the individuals under its sanctions list. However under immense US pressure after the Mumbai attacks, China conceded which led to banning of such a internationally accepted terrorist outfit.
Take another one.
Just seven months after the Mumbai attacks, Indian efforts in the United Nations to place sanctions on Jaish-e-Mohammad founder Maulana Masood Azhar received a major setback. China blocked the Indian request to proscribe both Azhar and Azam Cheema, the Lashkar-e-Toiba operative accused in the Mumbai train blasts, under the UN’s “Al Qaeda and Taliban Sanctions” resolution (1267).
Yes ofcourse.
The PRC "will not allow any terrorist organization to operate within its boarder". However if they are operating outside its borders and preferably, within the borders of its foes, then its okay okay and justified to the extent that China will try and block sanctions which others try to put on such terrorist organizations in the UN.
Andy really...your logic turns so pathetically pale in this context.:(
Delta good posts, specially last one last page. Very well written. Just found an article here. How much of this is true. Mostly Western reports here, a samplw:
American Thinker: Terror-Sponsor China Awarded 9-11 Memorial Tower ContractThe regime backed up its pro-terror rhetoric with weapon shipments. Bill Gertz and Rowan Scarborough reported in the December 21, 2001,Washington Times,
"China continued to supply arms to Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda terrorists even after the group began the September 11 attack on America, says a senior U.S. official...The official said that a week after the terrorist attack, the ruling Taliban and the al Qaeda fighters embedded among them, received a shipment of Chinese-made SA-7 missiles."
Why would China want to supply AQ? Would this be routed through the PA?
Beijing produces videos glorifying terrorist attacks on 'arrogant' US - TelegraphYet the most significant reason for outrage -- Communist Chinese support for al Qaeda terror -- seems to have faded from memory.
After the 9-11 attacks, the Chinese government produced a celebratory video entitled "Attack America," in which the narrator says,
"This is the America the whole world has wanted to see. Blood debts have been repaid in blood. America has bombed other countries and used its hegemony to deny the natural rights of others without paying the price. Who until now has dared to avenge the hurts inflicted by unaccountable Americans."
Any Beijing support specially to extremist groups based in Pakistan will certainly come to haunt China in the long term. I am sure China is aware of that. It's refusal to mark as terrorist groups like JuD seem to indicate a lot of Pakistani influence within Beijing than Beijing being comfortable with the existence of such groups. Or is Beijing willing to tolerate such groups as long as they harass only India. That seems to be the case here.
The articles you've posted is hardly indicative of support whatsoever. The first is a promotion of UNRESTRICTED WARFARE, much like Tom Clancy's A DEBT OF HONOUR.
The 2nd is a sobbering look with commie music that can be taken two ways.
NONE OF WHAT YOU'VE POSTED showed any material, geographic, financial, nor any support whatsoever, not even a tolerance of the groups within Chinese borders.
You're reaching.
Chimo
Major,
So is Russian arms, mostly leftovers from the USSR. Chinese weapons are cheap and there is a reason why they're cheap. They don't spend money tracking them.
Does that mean the Chinese are supporting terror? Hardly, it just mean that the Chinese are lazy.
Chimo
Tankie Sir, nothing like a bit of self deprecatory humor... Me likes...Well go to the doc, he may be able to help you over it , if he cant get yourself a big car , at least you will look impotent
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Antimony Sir, soft op on Dawood like the kind carried out in Nepal would virtually be impossible for various reasons, the most obvious of which is that Pakistan is openly hostile to India and would like to keep Dawood under its auspices not just to thumb India, but also to hold him for the immense value in terms of the criminal cover he commands in India.Now if they (IB & RAW) could only do a "soft op" on that worm Dawood
The soft ops on Pakistani assets in Nepal would be quite difficult if the Nepali authorities would not acquiesce and lend local logistical support to IB and RAW teams. Remember how quickly the infamous kidney merchant Dr. Amit Kumar was brought to India from Nepal after the quick capture by Nepal police? And Nepal and India dont even have an extradition treaty!
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