Back on the issue, TBH I don't think there are any easy or really any good solutions to Pakistan's internal problems. The country is an artificial state, and has never controlled the area calling itself "Waziristan", and to be honest I don't really blame them for not being able to get the Islamist rebellion under control. I suppose the real question is where to go from here?
Taliban withdraws from Pakistan's Buner district
A Taliban spokesman, Muslim Khan, said there were around 100 fighters in Buner, a district just 60 miles from Islamabad, and less than five hours from the capital by road.
"Our leader has ordered that Taliban should immediately be called back from Buner," he told the Reuters news agency.
He is a member of a faction led by the Taliban commander Fazlullah, whose stronghold is in the neighbouring Swat valley where the government has met the militants' demands for the imposition of Islamic law.
He said that government and Taliban representatives were en route to Buner, along with a radical Muslim cleric who brokered the Swat deal, to deliver a message to fighters to vacate the district.
Khan was quoted in the past week as saying that al-Qaeda would be given refuge in lands under Taliban control.
Hillary Clinton, the US secretary of state, has described the government's policies of appeasement in Swat as an abdication of authority to the Taliban and urged Pakistan's leaders to take action against foes who represented an "existential threat" to the state.
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Peace for a few more days I suppose. The tribal leaders seem to be quite influential... they engineer peace everytime something of this sort happens.
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We all know Pakistan,Iran,Turkmenistan,Uzbekistan,Kyrgyzstan,T ajikistan,turkey,Iraq, Indonesia, Bangaladesh,Malaya, Turkey,Saudi Arabia, Kuwait,Libiya,Egypt, Palestine, Jordan. etc etc..I assure you I know where they are. Moslems that is. I thought we were only dealing with radicals Taliban, members of extremists etc. Reply to Parihaka.
Yes, the main problem with getting information out of Pakistan is the limited acces of the area not only by the government but also by the talibunnies themselves. I did not continue on the Al-Jazeera controversy because of that. The fact that Al Jazeera has a "good" working relationship with the talibunnies and many other extremist groups is disturbing to me however.
On the current administrations handeling of the situation I have not seen or heard much coming out of the White House concerning Pakistan it is almost as if they are avoiding the situation in the hope that it just goes away.
On the money issue more than enough money has been poured into Pakistan with no visible e4ffect. More money for aid will not improve the situation it is time for the PA to show the world what they are made of ultimately they are the ones that need to control the situation although with the threat of nukes falling into the hands of extremists the West cannot afford to wait to long.
The current insurgency within Pakistan is closer to a peasant revolt than a takeover by AQ or the old Afghan Taliban. The hill tribes seem to be driving out the Indian muslims. Yes AQ and the Afghan Taliban are hidden amongst them but this revolt is home grown. it's not even particularly radical for the area
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Having watched a few doco's on just the sort of brutality dished out by the tribal area's, I've considered it not a bit better than the spanish inquisition. Akin to uprisings of the sort in Laos / Cambodia akin as in, where we do very little and the killings continue until it somewhat climax's...
After numerous debates on what is and what isn't a failed state, I think it is clear that if a central government can't even enforce it's own law and makes a deal for alternative law in various (and maybe an increasingly amount of) provinces, that Pakistan is actually MAKING itself a failed state, as it recognises areas defined as Pakistan, even areas that were controlled by it at some stage as now being autonomous under what effectively amounts to a seperate form of government, and does nothing when it's own policemen are executed for trying to uphold its law.
The Irony (and it seems like Pakistan is full of really idiot ironies and double standards) is that it is a nuclear armed state, with a large army, that has spent most of it's time chest thumping on the Indian/Pakistani border, instead of getting thier own house in order. The pathetic fighting over Kashmir is a prime example. Pakistan has lost such a huge swathe of it's land, it makes Kashmir look like childs play.
The only thing that matters to Pakistani's seems to be thier ego's. Churchill wrote as such when he visited the Northwest Territories when he was a journo. One thing really stuck with me about those writings is was a story of a tribal area claim, where two men would face off against each other in very hostile terms, although one had clearly had it for years and years, the other would stand on it, claiming it as his. Taking off his shoes, they were filled with soil from his plot, & hence this was the circumvention of his religeon. He was technically 'walking on his dirt'. These antics would go on & on & on. Resulting in bitter fueds and many deaths. At that time it was the wests only insight to the area.
I don't think the Taliban would ever be able to take over the government, precisely because of the ego issue. The military wouldn't let it to happen. It may have been that those holding real power in the government, didn't have any affinity with the regeons conceded anyway, having no connections to the people in those regeons, thus found it acceptable. It makes me think of the Mumbai terror attacks. Everyone knew they were Pakistani's, and Islamabad was denying it because of the political fall out. Thier foreign minister says the evidence points to thier Pakistani origin, and he gets dismissed, by Benzair Bhutto's Husband, who is the PM. The new foreign minister comes in and says 'If India wants a war over this we will give them one, we don't want to, but we will give them one' ANYTHING but be very remourseful about what happened, ANYTHING but being fully co-operative to apprehending suspects, FULL of animosity. Only willing to start co-operating when the west's intelligence agencies put pressure on them and said 'look, these guys, they are from Pakistan, we know they are', stop postulating - They were actually willing to talk about war before talking about finding those responsible for the tradgedy.
Ego seems to matter to Pakistani's, still caught up in a religeous upheaval half a century ago, with a country which poses no threat to them. Maybe it will be a wake up call, or maybe Bhutto's other half is looking to save face to maintain his ego...
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