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    Shi'ite resistance to Sunnis threatens progress of surge

    Shi'ite resistance to Sunnis threatens progress of surge

    Inaction could affect U.S. troop pullout

    Shaun Waterman, UNITED PRESS INTERNATIONAL
    Wednesday, August 27, 2008

    The Iraqi government is resisting U.S. efforts to incorporate former Sunni insurgents into Iraqi security forces, threatening a strategy that helped make the surge a success thus far and could allow U.S. forces to withdraw from Iraqi cities next year.

    Fewer than 600 of the 103,000 Iraqis currently active in U.S.-supported Sunni militia groups have been absorbed so far, said Colin H. Kahl of the Center for a New American Security, a Washington think tank, citing figures provided to him by the U.S. military during a recent trip to Iraq.

    The Pentagon provided slightly higher estimates Tuesday.

    Capt. Charles G. Calio, a spokesman for U.S.-led forces in Iraq, said in an e-mail that nearly 24,000 "Sons of Iraq" have found permanent employment in the past two years, but only 946 have entered the Iraqi security forces.

    About 2,300 others have been vetted for possible positions in the security forces, he said.

    "We are committed to the [Sons of Iraq] and an orderly transition for all of them," Capt. Calio said. He called the program "a work in progress."

    Sunni groups known by names such as "Awakening Councils" and "Sons of Iraq" have sided with U.S. troops to help push al Qaeda-linked terrorists underground or out of the country altogether.

    The Pentagon says it wants 16,000 integrated into Iraqi security forces by June.

    Mr. Kahl - who also advises presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Sen. Barack Obama about Iraq - and other experts warned that if the Sunni fighters are not brought into the Iraqi security forces, it risks slowing a potential withdrawal of U.S. combat troops from Iraqi cities.

    Dan Curfiss, program manager for Iraq at the National Defense University´s Near East and South Asia Center, said that if the integration fails, "You would have in effect two armies" in the country, and the militias "could very easily return to a rogue status."

    "[Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri] al-Maliki has no interest in integrating these guys - none," Mr. Kahl said. "He thinks they´re thugs; he thinks they´re hooligans ... . In fact, there´s some evidence that he´s trying to pick fights with them, hoping that they will start a fight that he can then turn around and finish them."

    Several U.S. news organizations reported last week that Iraqi security forces had orders to arrest or kill hundreds of Sunni group leaders.

    Sam Parker, who helps run the Iraq program at the U.S. Institute of Peace, said the al-Maliki government is "slow-rolling" the process of integrating members of the Sunni groups and that it will not move forward "without more pressure ... from the highest levels of the U.S. government."

    "The [Sons of Iraq] will rightly conclude that they're not going to get a place at the table, and go back to doing what they were doing before," Mr. Parker said. "Rather than trying to join the political process, they will try to undermine it with violence as part of the insurgency."

    The Bush administration may not be in a good position to exert that pressure, analysts warn, since it is already struggling to conclude an agreement with the al-Maliki government that will permit U.S. forces to remain after a U.N. mandate expires Dec. 31.

    The agreement, according to the Iraqis, calls for all U.S. combat forces to leave Iraqi cities by next June and to leave the country entirely by the end of 2011.

    Recently retired U.S. Army counterinsurgency expert Col. John A. Nagl, who traveled with Mr. Kahl to Iraq, partly attributed the slow integration to bureaucratic problems.

    "I´m sure that there is some sectarianism in these decisions, but I also am confident that some of it is just inefficient bureaucracy," said Col. Nagl, the author of several books on counterinsurgency, who helped write the U.S. Army/Marine Corps Counterinsurgency Field Manual published in December 2006.

    Mr. Kahl also warned against a strategy of limiting integration to Sunni leaders and placing them in low-level jobs.

    "Oh, sure, we´ll let that colonel in the ... Republican Guard into the Iraqi police, but we´ll make him an enlisted beat cop," he said, describing the attitude of some Baghdad officials. "Do you know how low on the social scale that is in Iraq and how humiliating this is?"

    "You don´t have to believe that 100,000 of these guys are going to turn back into insurgents," Mr. Kahl said. "If 5,000 of them do, that could be a big problem."

    Washington Times - Shi'ite resistance to Sunnis threatens progress of surge
    Iraq is an odd place.

    One step forward and two steps back!

    The Sunni insurgency had been practically curbed by either buying them up or incorporating them in the security paradigm.

    It is extraordinary that the Iraqis themselves do not want peace to come to their nation and get some progress done in the bargain.

    This age old Sunni Shia divide will never go.

    Sometimes one wonders if they deserve people like Saddam Hussein and his horrid ways as the only way to bring sanity, peace and progress to these type of people.

    If this continues, one wonders if indeed there can be any pull out of US troops from Iraq.

    With the ensuing belligerency between the US and Russia, new hot spots could arise and if the US has to maintain its supremacy as the sole global superpower, it would have to have adequate reserves to react, which she does not have at this moment and the European armies have a whole lot of reservations and riders on committing their force in the combat role as has been experienced in Afghanistan!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray View Post
    Sometimes one wonders if they deserve people like Saddam Hussein and his horrid ways as the only way to bring sanity, peace and progress to these type of people.
    And what type of 'peace' or 'sanity' did Saddam deliver? Are sanity and peace brought by torture, repression, genocide? Maybe you consider obedience through fear and submission as 'peace' and 'sanity' but fortunately i am confident that few Iraqis would agree with such a warped perspective.

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    Correct. What's going on now is politics. What was going on before was despotic tyrrany. By anybody's measure, it's an improvement, and whether or not it ever turns into a model nation, a little Switzerland, it's still a much better place for the inhabitants.
    "The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it, and if one finds the prospect of a long war intolerable, it is natural to disbelieve in the possibility of victory."
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    Shiite fighters clash with Iraqi, U.S. troops in Baghdad

    By Jeffrey Fleishman, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
    October 10, 2008
    BAGHDAD -- Clashes between Shiite Muslim militants and U.S. and Iraqi troops erupted in east Baghdad on Thursday night when groups loyal to anti-U.S. cleric Muqtada Sadr accused Washington of orchestrating the assassination of a popular lawmaker.

    An official at Iraq's Interior Ministry said Sadr's Mahdi Army militiamen fought with U.S. and Iraqi soldiers in the sprawling Sadr City district after mosques broadcast accusations that coalition forces were behind a bombing hours earlier that killed Shiite lawmaker Saleh Uqaili. Explosions and gunfire could be heard in adjacent neighborhoods.

    A resident of Sadr City, who gave his name only as Mohammed, said fighting broke out about 11 p.m. as militants clashed with Iraqi soldiers and, later, U.S. troops who arrived for backup. Heavy fighting lasted about an hour and was followed by intermittent gunfire, he said.

    The U.S. military said in a statement that coalition forces "received small-arms fire while conducting routine operations," injuring one soldier.

    Earlier Thursday, a U.S. military statement blamed the assassination on Shiite rivals of Sadr's movement.

    Uqaili, 41, a member of Sadr's political bloc, which holds 30 seats in parliament, was killed when a bomb exploded as his motorcade was passing a military checkpoint in Sadr City. The attack came amid two weeks of increased violence across Iraq, including ambushes and suicide bombings that have killed dozens.

    Iraqi police said a bomb on a motorcycle exploded about 200 yards from the checkpoint at a walled entrance to the neighborhood. Other reports indicated that the bomb may have been fastened to a manhole cover and detonated as the motorcycle and Uqaili's convoy, which also included other legislators, passed.

    The lawmaker was taken to a hospital, where he died of his injuries, according to Sadr officials. One bodyguard and at least one bystander also died.

    A university professor with five children, Uqaili was considered a moderate voice in Sadr's camp. The morning attack in a secured part of the city raised concerns that Shiite factions, including the Badr Organization and groups supported by Iran, may be targeting one another ahead of next year's elections.

    Baha Araji, a lawmaker with Sadr's bloc, accused the Iraqi military of lapses in security and suggested two reasons that the assassins may have targeted Uqaili's convoy: as punishment for the Sadr bloc's opposition to renewing a security agreement extending the U.S. troop presence in the country, and to weaken the bloc's representation in parliament in the upcoming elections.

    "There will be a battle in the elections and this [killing] is indeed a liquidation," Araji told Al Arabiya TV. "We have warned that the Sadr movement has been targeted, especially in seats where they already hold office."

    But a Sadr spokesman, Ahmed Massoudi, left no doubt that he thought American troops were involved in the assassination of Uqaili. "The occupation forces sent us a message by staging this attack because of our stance against the agreement," he said.

    Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri Maliki issued a statement saying, "We reaffirm our determination to get at the hotbeds of terrorism and crime and [to] arrest and prosecute the killers and bring them to justice."

    Sadr, who is believed to be in Iran, had ordered his Mahdi Army militia to cease activities last year; the decision was a big reason for the overall drop in violence.

    Sadr City, one of Baghdad's poorest neighborhoods, has been the scene of many battles between Sadr forces and U.S. and Iraqi troops. It was targeted in the U.S.-led troop buildup, when additional American forces were sent into Iraq beginning in early 2007, and has been walled off to contain militants.

    In other developments Thursday, a bomb exploded near a minibus in Baqubah, about 35 miles northeast of Baghdad, killing a Sunni Arab fighter with the Awakening movement that has worked with U.S. troops against Islamic militants. His wife, daughter and son were also killed.

    A bomb detonated near a restaurant in Tall Afar, killing two people, including a police officer.

    jeffrey.fleishman @latimes.com

    Times staff writer Raheem Salman and a special correspondent contributed to this report.

    Shiite fighters clash with Iraqi, U.S. troops in Baghdad - Los Angeles Times
    Not wanting to start another thread, I am posting it here.

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    The bombings seems to have started once again, though not of the devastating scale as before.

    It seems the basic irritation is not the US occupation of Iraq, but the internecine war that is historic between the Sunnis and Shias.

    The very fact that the US has been able to tame the Sunnis by their programme wherein they have been put under US pay, apparently has not been appreciated by the Shias, who, after centuries of domination are in a dominating position.

    Even the Iraq govt, which is Shia dominated, is chary about taking in the US sponsored Sunni force into the Army.

    If history and the commonality of religion has not been able to merge the divide of the two Sects of Islam, one wonders if the US can.

    What is the answer?


    "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."

    I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.

    HAKUNA MATATA

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