Parihaka, et al,
Yes, well - now that I know the point of confusion, maybe I can explain a little better.

Originally Posted by
Parihaka
no indeed, it's me who must apologise, I mistook your approval for CC's witticism 'prophets of profit' as agreement.
Lets then replace the word 'profit' with 'hegemony' in my original post and try again.
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(THUMBNAIL): From a political point-of-view, there were very strong elements (within the Administration) that came together, as a "Ruling Elite," that was interested in establishing US leadership to exercise diplomatic influence over the complex region of the Middle East & Persian Gulf. This was the hegemonic piece; predominance in the regional affairs to create an environment that was both politically stable and economically prosperous. The idea was to clear away the anti-American Saddam influence Iraq (a country that was strategically located in the middle), and install a very US-friendly institution that would would invite a US-Military base. This was to be the stick to match the carrot. And in helping to re-order the stability, the US diplomacy would be persuasive, with a credible military force right in the middle of the belligerents.
(THUMBNAIL) I loved the 'prophets of profit' comment, but from an entirely different view. With every war/conflict that comes along - there is a necessary evil. Wars cost money. And in the huge exchanges of money, comes war profiteers. The US was not the only country in the region to have war profiteers speculating on arsenal sales. In addition to the above ground military-industrial complex, Baghdad happens to be the crossroads for that region in the underground dealing in arms; and has been for hundreds of years. And there are plenty of non-state actors in the mix, dealing in arms. When you see in the news, pictures of weapons caches with the weapons in parts, this is the indicator that you are looking as supplies received outside state sponsored activity. When a state sponsor (either Iran or the US) covertly supplies weapons, they generally don't do it on the "some assembly required" basis. I was sitting in the Palace a couple of years ago, when I saw a picture of "EFPs" in parts, from a weapons cache. MNF-I gave it to the press as evidence of Iranian involvement. In every good piece of propaganda, there is some truth. The truth was, the EFPs were Iranian. The unspoken catch was, that even in Iran there are arms dealers operating and corrupt official out to make a dime. Weapons, when the are QA'd and counted are counted after they are assembled and serialized. These were parts taken from the assembly line, and not a final product shipped to the state sponsor. In this way, the manufacturer sells some to the arms dealers for retail sales. Covertly making a little extra money themselves. Hence the phrase 'prophets of profit' had so much more meaning to me when it comes to the threat analysis of the actual number of non-state actors engaged in the various insurgencies aspect angles.
Most US military and diplomatic officials, in an attempt to simplify the equation, tend to discuss the various activities (armed actions) in an US 'vs' THEM on the state level. That is, they seldom discuss the hidden mechanism behind the curtain that actually effects the transfer and sale of arms (supplies, weapons and ammunition) to the non-state actor insurgent, terrorist and para-military forces. But none of it is free and it just doesn't magically appear on the battlefield.
It is also the case that US military and diplomatic officials, in an attempt to simplify the equation, would never suggest that some of the events that were attributed to re-igniting conflict, were actually accomplished by arms dealers, and not the belligerents themselves. When arms dealers want to to escalate fighting, to spur sales, they were not beyond making a significant emotional event occur.
But this is a completely different discussion and I apologize in deviating from the thread.
Most Respectfully,
R
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