Pak to build a fence on the Afghan-Pak Border

Asim Aquil · 09-10-2005, 06:57 AM

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default...0-9-2005_pg1_1

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RAWALPINDI: Pakistan’s president said on Friday that Islamabad had proposed setting up a barbed-wire fence along the border with Afghanistan to help keep Islamic insurgents from crossing the rugged area.

But Gen Pervez Musharraf told The Associated Press in an exclusive interview that Pakistan couldn’t afford the major undertaking through mountainous terrain and deeply conservative tribal regions “by itself”. “We could do selective fencing,” he suggested as an alternative to an unbroken barrier.

Musharraf praised Afghan President Hamid Karzai’s efforts to unite a country with no history of national unity and ravaged by decades of war, but said the military needed to improve security.

President Musharraf praised Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon as “courageous” for ordering the withdrawal of Jewish settlements from Gaza, but said he didn’t plan on following up a recent diplomatic breakthrough between the countries by meeting him at the United Nations this month.

“Why should there be a rush?” Musharraf said. “We are clear in our stance. We want to progress towards resolution of the Palestinian dispute, and as progress is made, Pakistan would like to keep reviewing its diplomatic stance.”

“I think such actions need courage and boldness,” Musharraf said. “(From) what we have seen on the TV, Israelis not wanting to leave, being forced out, is a courageous thing to do. We hope that he shows (an) equal amount of courage in the final creation of a Palestinian state.” “I can’t really give a (dead) line,” he said about when formal ties could be established, “but I’m always a believer in reacting before events, of foreseeing events and reacting accordingly ... I don’t believe in reaction, I believe in action.”

Despite calls by a hard-line Pakistani Islamic coalition for protests against his initiation of contacts with Israel, Musharraf said the response in Pakistan to the Turkey meeting had been good. “I see a positive response on the domestic side,” he said.

The president said that Pakistan and India were both optimistic about resolving their bitter dispute over Kashmir, and he hoped for a settlement while both current leaders were in power.

Musharraf said he had established a good personal rapport with Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh. The two leaders will meet on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly session in New York later this month. “We will discuss Kashmir,” said the president.

“I feel there’s optimism on both sides,” Musharraf said. “There’s a positive response towards the resolution of the dispute on both sides. We need to achieve this within our tenures. That’s the time frame.”

The president confirmed for the first time that one of the suspects in the July terror bombings in London briefly visited a Pakistani Islamic school linked with militants.

But he dismissed suggestions that the trip to a madrassa in Lahore influenced the beliefs or motivations of Shahzad Tanweer, saying it was too short and that Tanweer’s “indoctrination” was likely the result of his lack of assimilation into British society.

The president praised former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto’s main opposition Pakistan People’s Party, but said she could not become premier again. “Benazir (Bhutto) has had two tenures,” he said. “According to the Constitution of Pakistan at the moment, she is not eligible to become prime minister again.”

dabrownguy · 09-10-2005, 14:35 PM

Then Pak can not tell India to stop building fences in Kashmir and Bandladesh. Fences are seriously needed. Kashmir has insurgents meaning no peace unless it is stopped. Bangladesh is exporting prostitutes and poor Bengales. India is already over populated. Al though I don't mind seeing other races in India.

Vaman · 09-11-2005, 14:38 PM

The Durand line is just as contentious as the LOC.
If Pakistan can justify building a fence, then Indias stand on fencing the LOC is just as valid.

lemontree · 09-12-2005, 01:52 AM

The funny thing is that the Taliban is infilterating from Pakistan to Afghanistan and not the other way around. It means that the fence is to keep the bad guys within Pakistan. I am sure MAD comics will pick this up as a subject.

Srirangan · 09-12-2005, 03:07 AM

Aren't they stealing poor Afghan's lands just as Israel stope Palestini lands? :D

Asim Aquil · 09-12-2005, 03:23 AM

I think its going to be a joint venture, since we certainly are in no mood to be the only bearer of the costs for this undertaking.

lemontree · 09-12-2005, 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by srirangan

Aren't they stealing poor Afghan's lands just as Israel stope Palestini lands? :D

Actually Israeli invasion of 1967 was to pre-empt another joint arab invasion. Those lands that Israel invaded were occupied by Jordan (West Bank and East Jerusalem) and Egypt had occupied Gaza. For 19 years after the 1948 Israeli-Arab war there was no establishment of Palestine by Jordan and Egypt - Hupocrisy at its best.

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I think its going to be a joint venture, since we certainly are in no mood to be the only bearer of the costs for this undertaking.

Asim,
Are there any statements from politicians/generals (Afghani or Pakistani) to this effect?

indianguy4u · 09-12-2005, 04:05 AM

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I think its going to be a joint venture, since we certainly are in no mood to be the only bearer of the costs for this undertaking.

Ha Ha

. And talking of building pipeline from iran & tajikistan alone.

Srirangan · 09-12-2005, 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by indianguy4u

Ha Ha

. And talking of building pipeline from iran & tajikistan alone.

Those are just postures to get more concessions from Uncle Sam. Pak can't afford to build a pipeline alone, and even if it does, the venture won't break even.

raj · 09-12-2005, 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by lemontree

Actually Israeli invasion of 1967 was to pre-empt another joint arab invasion. Those lands that Israel invaded were occupied by Jordan (West Bank and East Jerusalem) and Egypt had occupied Gaza. For 19 years after the 1948 Israeli-Arab war there was no establishment of Palestine by Jordan and Egypt - Hupocrisy at its best.

Asim,
Are there any statements from politicians/generals (Afghani or Pakistani) to this effect?

BTW discussion of palestine needs a whole thread for itself, and as lemmon tree has pointed it out establishment of Palestine by Jordan and Egypt - Hupocrisy at its best.these guys support pakistan to break into lands after cease fire has been declared by UN, but they would not give up fight for the land that got annexed in to ISRAEL before the cease fire

-raj

Asim Aquil · 09-12-2005, 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by lemontree

Actually Israeli invasion of 1967 was to pre-empt another joint arab invasion. Those lands that Israel invaded were occupied by Jordan (West Bank and East Jerusalem) and Egypt had occupied Gaza. For 19 years after the 1948 Israeli-Arab war there was no establishment of Palestine by Jordan and Egypt - Hupocrisy at its best.

Asim,
Are there any statements from politicians/generals (Afghani or Pakistani) to this effect?

Yes, Musharrafs.

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Ha Ha . And talking of building pipeline from iran & tajikistan alone.

From Iran.

And thats for our benefit. The fence is for America.

Samudra · 09-12-2005, 05:50 AM

No pipeline is going to happen without Amreeka's consent!

I'd be glad if Pakistan tried.
It would do us a lot of good.

bull · 09-12-2005, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by lemontree

Actually Israeli invasion of 1967 was to pre-empt another joint arab invasion. Those lands that Israel invaded were occupied by Jordan (West Bank and East Jerusalem) and Egypt had occupied Gaza. For 19 years after the 1948 Israeli-Arab war there was no establishment of Palestine by Jordan and Egypt - Hupocrisy at its best.

well i was ignorant to this

Samudra · 09-12-2005, 05:51 AM

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I think its going to be a joint venture, since we certainly are in no mood to be the only bearer of the costs for this undertaking

Put it this way , "We dont have enough money to build this fence , so will you open your purse , please ? ".

Thats more like it. *

*

Srirangan · 09-12-2005, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by bull

well i was ignorant to this

I fail to understand the need for Palestine when there already is a state of Jordan. And if there were to be a Palestine state, why should only Israel concede land? Why not Jordan? Wasn't Jordan also carved out of the same deal on Ottomon lands?

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lemontree Bandaid *Military Professional* Join Date: 10-04-04 Location: India Posts: 5,916	The funny thing is that the Taliban is infilterating from Pakistan to Afghanistan and not the other way around. It means that the fence is to keep the bad guys within Pakistan. I am sure MAD comics will pick this up as a subject. __________________ Cheers!...on the rocks!!

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