End of the Imaginary Durand Line - Page 9

Samudra · 09-03-2005, 05:33 AM

Information is wealth !

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October 5, 2001 - The Government of Japan decided on October 5 (Fri) to extend an emergency grant aid of 7.5 million dollars (802 million yen) to the Islamic Republic of the Pakistan in order to assist Pakistan's efforts to deal with Afghan refugees.

Ministry of Foreign Affairs , Japan - Official Site

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http://www.mofa.go.jp/announce/annou...10/1005-3.html

The Government of Japan has decided to extend a food aid worth 500 million yen through the World Food Programme (WFP) to the Afghan refugees in Pakistan. Notes to this effect were exchanged on October 17 (Wed) in Islamabad between Mr. Sadaaki Numata, Japanese Ambassador to Pakistan, and Mr. Daly Belgasmi, Country Director, WFP Pakistan Office, Pakistan.

This food aid will be extended as part of the 4.7 billion-yen grant aid from the "Emergency Economic Assistance for Pakistan" announced on September 21, which is one item of "Japan's Measures in Response to the Terrorists Attacks in the United States".

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The EU also pledged 20 million euros in emergency aid to Pakistan to help it cope with a huge influx of refugees from neighbouring Afghanistan.

BBC World

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Announcing the package last week, British Development Secretary, Clare Short, said that a £15 million package was being provided to support the government of Pakistan in its continuing reforms and in its efforts to alleviate the humanitarian crisis which has been aggravated by the influx of Afghan refugees.

These financial pledges come on top of £11 million the UK has provided since September 11 to ensure that poor Pakistanis do not suffer because of the increase in refugees, and an extra £40 million committed to alleviate the humanitarian crisis in the region.

Europa World

The West pays for everything.

Neo · 09-04-2005, 14:09 PM

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Originally Posted by hammer

Neo,
Pakistan couldn't have possibly won a war against Russia.

Probably not, but NATO would have supported such initiative by Pakistan.
I'm glad it didn't happen.

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And the Genocide.

Splitting Pakistan WAS the main reason!!

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After the assasination of Mujibir Rehman, India couldnt do much. It would mean interference in Bangaldesh affairs. And that we definetly didnt want to do.

You already interfered by entering EP

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Believe me, the Indian army would've been seen as aggressors instead of liberators if they had stayed longer than that.

Your're telling me that they were not?

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Simple, Afghanistan is not as hostile as Bangladesh is to us. The Bangladeshis even refused Indian investment in their country. Read the 'Tata' episode.

India is trying to gain 'strategic deapth' of its own towards CAR.
Weak BD wouldn't cause troubles for a very very long time to come..

Neo · 09-04-2005, 14:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Ray

Neo,

It was a deliberate decision to pull out the Armed Forces of India.

If India did not, then it would be an Iraq like situation.

If the US in Iraq did exactly what India did, then the situation would not be what it is. Maybe the US goals are different and hence they have hung on.

US is driven my different motives. Iraq happens to have 3rd largest oil reserves.
Don't expect US to be ready to leave in forseable future..

Neo · 09-04-2005, 14:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Ray

Indian relations with Afghanistan is age old and Afghans have been a 'fixture' in the Indian urban life ('Kabuliwala' by Rabindranath Tagore is an illustration as a case in point) as dry fruit sellers door to door as also as moneylenders. Something like the Kashmiri carpet sellers of today.

I won't deny that you've had good relationship with Afghanistan

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However, one cannot claim that it is alturistic interest that drives India. It is not only Pakistan centric but also CAR centric for strategic and economic interest.

Thats exactly my point. Some guys have tried to make the world believe that all Indian interrest and aid is for the sake of humanity and how Pakistan is blocking it, but its just another political agenda.
Would India allow Pakistani transport to Nepal over its territory...guess not!

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Bengalis are treated as any other Indian citizens. It was the Shiv Sena which used this 'card' to throw out Bangladeshi from Mumbai who are teeming in India as illegal immigrants. The interesting part is that some sport Hindu names!

In fact, the demographic pattern along the Indo Bangladesh has reversed wherein it was 80:20 Hindu: Moslem at Independence is now 80:20 Moslem to Hindus.

The Bangaldeshi are flooding India like Chinese good are flooding the world!

You wanted an independant BD...well there it is.
I rather have them in India then in Pakistan!
Goodluck with them

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To be frank, they hold no strategic or economic interest in India and hence apart from polite political noise, I don't think much has been done. The Nehruvian era has unfortunately vanished. India, however, helped Ethiopia.[/quoted]

Even Pakistan and Srilanka supported Ethiopia

[quoteHyposcrisy, yes.

But not because they are not bordering Pakistan. The reason is that there are no strategic or economic interest as it is in Afghanistan.

So, why would Pakistan be cooperative helping you get that strategic advantage in our backyard?

Neo · 09-04-2005, 14:37 PM

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Originally Posted by lemontree

You got aid from the US and UN, while we did not get any aid.

Sir,
we were not at war in Afghanistan nor did we get involved directly.
Thats why be got support

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Wrong you went into a proxy war with US aid. Only Pakistan did not have a chance against the Soviet Union.

True,
with 100% US backing!
Sovjets came in very strong but started to decline as US aid came to the mujahideen.
Russian planes and choppers became sitting duscks for the stingers.
Noway they could have attacked Afghanistan and Pakistan together.
Pakistan was never in serious danger, our concern was the eastern border.

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Agreed, but this was the out come of the 1965 war that Gen Ayub Khan instigated.

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Wrong, we gave them their freedom and their own style of govt. We did not put up puppets or "Talibans" in Dacca. They had a good economy prior to 1971, but they screwed up. Why blame India?

What freedom exactly?
BD hasn't grown in any field since independence, they are worse off!
Btw, Mujahideen or Taliban's were supported by Pakistan but the idiology was developped and adapted by themselves.
Such doctrine could never have flourished in a country like Pakistan.
I know you won't agree here.

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True, but also for the CAR economic advantage. Pakistan would have had no reason to feel threatened had it not aided Khalistanis, instigated, armed and supported the Kashmir jihadis.
Afghanistan gives us access to CAR and a democratic independent Afghanistan takes away Pakistan's concept of "strategic depth".

Pakistan is not threatend..but not eager to give that advantage to Inida either.
You have an ally in Iran, try their soil to serve your interrests

Neo · 09-04-2005, 14:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ajaybhutani

Had we stayed there then u would have said india illegally captured bangaldesh. U would have called it a colonization of bangladesh. Make up ur mind. ??

India is widely seen as the agressor in Pakistan during that event...longer stay wouldn't have made a difference in our opiniom but would have helped BD to get stability.

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U want to say bangladesh was better of facing brutal killings as a part of pakistan ?? In a way u say that kashmir shouldnt be in india it should be independent. Then look at bangladesh the condition was thousands time worse for them than it has ever been for J&K .?? Please represent ur opinion on this.

No! BD is better of being independent...atleast we are better off without them!
Situation in BD is not compareable to kashmir.

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Furthermore if india really wanted to gain from bangladesh liberation it would have kept a part of northern bangladesh to improve it connectivity with the 7 NE states. What more could india have done to show its sincerity towards bangladeshi pain ??

If you wanted to stop illeagle immigrants, you could have fenced the borders or put more military surveillance.
Entering BD only proved the true motives!

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U just missed the 2 B$ investment planned by tatas.

Two billion..thats all?
That would certainly have changed the fate of millions

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Furthermore its open that ISI is running terrorist camps in bangladesh to fuel the indian NE terrorism and bangladesh is doing nothing to stop it. What do u expect us to do . Give them candies while they are hitting our back with knives. ??

It's called 'strategic deapth'

Ray · 09-04-2005, 15:43 PM

BD was an OK nation till the Jammat joined the govt wholesale. Before that they were supporting fromthe wings.

Radical Islam is an ill wind for governance.

Those who came in by a coup like the BD Generals of the Pak Army who deserted them in the war of liberation, were of the Yahyah Khan style!

Like Yahyah Khan did great wonders for Pakistan, the protege and progeny of the Generals will do the same for BD too!

Ray · 09-04-2005, 15:46 PM

Neo,

Pakistan is not giving anything to India to allow them to entrench themselves in your backyard.

It is good ole Uncle Sam who is allowing so and he is not bothered about taking the say so from Pakistan.

Now, can anyone challenge Unlce Sam helping Shyam (Indian name that is common)?

Ray · 09-04-2005, 15:50 PM

Neo,

No way would it be correct of you to say that Pakistan is delighted that BD is not a part of Pakistan any more.

To state so, would be trying to save face and a case of sour grapes.

No offence meant.

Ray · 09-04-2005, 15:52 PM

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You have an ally in Iran, try their soil to serve your interrests

And what is Pakistan doing these days?

More than ally. Blood brothers!

Neo · 09-04-2005, 16:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Ray

Neo,

No way would it be correct of you to say that Pakistan is delighted that BD is not a part of Pakistan any more.

To state so, would be trying to save face and a case of sour grapes.

No offence meant.

Actually they turned out to be very sweet

Ray · 09-04-2005, 16:03 PM

Aha Neo.

That's cute of you!

BTW, in the War of Liberation, the Bangladeshis did not take the Indian Army as aggressors.

The realtime information they gave the Indian Army was of immense help!

Asim Aquil · 09-04-2005, 16:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Ray

Neo,

No way would it be correct of you to say that Pakistan is delighted that BD is not a part of Pakistan any more.

To state so, would be trying to save face and a case of sour grapes.

No offence meant.

The younger generation has grown up seeing Bangalis and not East Pakistanis. We don't hold an emotional attachment with them. At max they're allies with similar policies and goals. Losing Bangladesh isn't really a sob story in Pakistan.

We're better allies than we were ever citizens. The younger generation is happy with Bangladesh not upset with it. At max we miss having a few airforce bases that would've come in handy at attacking India from both sides in this day and age. But thats a strategic value, something for the generals to worry about not the civillians of both the nations.

Ray · 09-04-2005, 16:06 PM

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Losing Bangladesh isn't really a sob story in Pakistan.

Give me another one, Asim.

Journalistic spin does not cut ice!

So the 90,000 Prisoners of War were just wanting to see Indian PsW camps?

Just for the heck's sake and for the fun of it?

And those who died were just too tired of life?

Ray · 09-04-2005, 16:09 PM

And Pakistan is just feeling great that they have allies and not countrymen in BD and what are 90,000 PsW between allies!

Nothing much to shed a tear.

It was not humiliation. It was a matter of honour to be captured!

Tell that to a Pakistan Army man and he will hang you by the gonads on the nearest lamp post!

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09-04-2005, 15:43 PM	#127 (permalink)
Ray Postmaster General *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-20-03 Posts: 28,373 Country:	BD was an OK nation till the Jammat joined the govt wholesale. Before that they were supporting fromthe wings. Radical Islam is an ill wind for governance. Those who came in by a coup like the BD Generals of the Pak Army who deserted them in the war of liberation, were of the Yahyah Khan style! Like Yahyah Khan did great wonders for Pakistan, the protege and progeny of the Generals will do the same for BD too!

09-04-2005, 15:46 PM	#128 (permalink)
Ray Postmaster General *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-20-03 Posts: 28,373 Country:	Neo, Pakistan is not giving anything to India to allow them to entrench themselves in your backyard. It is good ole Uncle Sam who is allowing so and he is not bothered about taking the say so from Pakistan. Now, can anyone challenge Unlce Sam helping Shyam (Indian name that is common)?

09-04-2005, 15:50 PM	#129 (permalink)
Ray Postmaster General *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-20-03 Posts: 28,373 Country:	Neo, No way would it be correct of you to say that Pakistan is delighted that BD is not a part of Pakistan any more. To state so, would be trying to save face and a case of sour grapes. No offence meant.

09-04-2005, 16:03 PM	#132 (permalink)
Ray Postmaster General *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-20-03 Posts: 28,373 Country:	Aha Neo. That's cute of you! BTW, in the War of Liberation, the Bangladeshis did not take the Indian Army as aggressors. The realtime information they gave the Indian Army was of immense help!

09-04-2005, 16:09 PM	#135 (permalink)
Ray Postmaster General *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-20-03 Posts: 28,373 Country:	And Pakistan is just feeling great that they have allies and not countrymen in BD and what are 90,000 PsW between allies! Nothing much to shed a tear. It was not humiliation. It was a matter of honour to be captured! Tell that to a Pakistan Army man and he will hang you by the gonads on the nearest lamp post!

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