End of the Imaginary Durand Line - Page 6

lemontree · 08-31-2005, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Neo

Afghanistan is no match for us, instead taking Sarhad and Balochistan they will witness the total distruction of what is left over of their country.
Afghanistan will simply disintegrate...

Nitpicking....actually Pakistan does not have a good track record of handling NWFP or Waziristan, which has remained a warring province since it became part of British India. So I wonder what would happen if PA occupied Afghanistan. An insurgency (would eat PA troops) there would leave east Pakistan open at the mercy of IA.

Neo · 08-31-2005, 09:15 AM

No need to occupy Afghanistan. If the government is overthrown, which is still a possibility when the Americans have gone, civil war will do the job.
And this time we should not come to help.
And if somehow PA gets involved, we might aswell settle things in NWFP and get rid of those warloards so the province finaly can come to terms with Islamabad.

Asim Aquil · 08-31-2005, 10:07 AM

Yeap post-Taliban suggestions had plans of each of the neighbouring countries absorb their ethnicities from Afghanistan into them. There were mixed reactions about this in Pakistan and Iran.

The nay sayers said its too much of a problematic region to absorb in. Afghanis can't think beyond ethnicities. They can't think nationally. The Pashtuns should've enjoyed the power of the majority in Afghanistan but its always been the smaller ethnic groups. Which forces them to come to Pakistan, where they atleast have representation in the Pakistan federation.

Srirangan · 08-31-2005, 10:11 AM

Yeap post-Taliban suggestions had plans of each of the neighbouring countries absorb their ethnicities from Afghanistan into them. There were mixed reactions about this in Pakistan and Iran.

:D When was this again? I mean, why the hell would America decide to give Afghanistan to Iran and Tajikistan let alone Pak? Pak itself doesn't have Baloch and NWFP under control, no way can they control additional territory. And America would no way gift Iran and Tajikistan. Wouldn't make sense now would it?

Samudra · 08-31-2005, 10:11 AM

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which is still a possibility when the Americans have gone, civil war will do the job.

When America steps out , it means WoT in Afghan is over which would mean India could march in with the consent of Afghans and Americans.Recall its NATO inside Afghan now , not the USA.

Srirangan · 08-31-2005, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Samudra

When America steps out , it means WoT in Afghan is over which would mean India could march in with the consent of Afghans and Americans.Recall its NATO inside Afghan now , not the USA.

That will be the great game after western withdrawal. India, Iran, Tajikistan and Pakistan all vying for greator influence. For the sake of Afghanistan America should stay in longer, or the Asian states must play clean, I highly doubt playin clean would occur.

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India may send troops to Afghanistan

29 August 2005: India will commit troops to Afghanistan to cover the two-thirds US withdrawal, but only if Afghan president Hamid Karzai sends a request letter, although he made clear in the recent meeting with prime minister Manmohan Singh that “Afghanistan’s security is India’s security”.

But still India wants a formal request, although the US first broached for Indian deployment when its defence secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, met the Indian defence minister, Pranab Mukherjee, earlier to the PM’s visit, seeking a form commitment, and Afghanistan separately spoke the same issue.

India accepts US and Afghan concerns that it would be an open field for the Taliban and other elements to wage war against Afghanistan in case America withdraws without filling the gap, and while the Bush administration assures that it will continue to assist the Afghan and other armies fighting there, top Pentagon generals are clamouring for intervention in North and East Africa where the Al-Qaeda is regrouping.

But any Indian intervention will be gradual, officials said, commencing with training and logistically equipping the Afghan army, and if that does not suffice, to land troops, and it is understood here that developments in Afghanistan have ramifications beyond the border, particularly in Jammu and Kashmir.

During the Taliban period, twenty-four per cent of all foreign militants in J and K were from Afghanistan, and with their ouster, the percentage has dropped to two per cent.

Officials said that the US wants to withdraw after a regional commitment to secure Afghanistan from the Taliban, and that was one reason Nato was brought in for peacekeeping, while its own troops could concentrate on the war against terror.

Aryan · 08-31-2005, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by lemontree

Neo,
See if you can get a copy of this book "The Gilgit Rebellion 1947"
By Capt William A Brown.
Publisher IBEX, London

I actually ordered that book a few days ago, a bit of a coincidence...

Sameer · 08-31-2005, 11:21 AM

"During the Taliban period, twenty-four per cent of all foreign militants in J and K were from Afghanistan, and with their ouster, the percentage has dropped to two per cent."

Right and now they have been replaced with Pakistani Punjabis and wacky NW Pathans, oh the so called indegenous Kashmiri struggle.

Neo · 08-31-2005, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Aryan

I actually ordered that book a few days ago, a bit of a coincidence...

How did you hear about it?
From LT?

AbbasRazzaKhan · 08-31-2005, 11:47 AM

AFghan should not be power posturing land of anybody india or pakistan or iran of usa. respect the boundry's everyone. you blame us for taliban, had the world forgoten pakistan for creating that group? when they took kaandahar taliban was lead by pak army general .. but pak conviniently blame us for taliban now? why dont world blame arabia for spreadin by version of extremist islam? why only blame afghan and use afghan land for your selfish game everyone?

Sameer · 08-31-2005, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by AbbasRazzaKhan

AFghan should not be power posturing land of anybody india or pakistan or iran of usa. respect the boundry's everyone. you blame us for taliban, had the world forgoten pakistan for creating that group? when they took kaandahar taliban was lead by pak army general .. but pak conviniently blame us for taliban now? why dont world blame arabia for spreadin by version of extremist islam? why only blame afghan and use afghan land for your selfish game everyone?

Because while the financing of the Taleban and terrorist activities came from abroad, there was a large INDEGENOUS Afgan component, certainly the taleban was mostly Afgan suported by the ISI and Bin laden. Your country' President has ased US troops to stay and if he asks Indian troops to come, India will,read the article. While an ideology may be foreign in nature, the people who implement such ideologies cannjot escape the blame, dressing women up like Ninjas etc are pathetic to say the least.

Neo · 08-31-2005, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by AbbasRazzaKhan

why only blame afghan and use afghan land for your selfish game everyone?

I'll say it again, unite and grow stronger. Foreign forces have come only becoz they could.
If someone is to blame its your own leadership.

Sameer · 08-31-2005, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Neo

I'll say it again, unite and grow stronger. Foreign forces have come only becoz they could.
If someone is to blame its your own leadership.

Sure they could but who sponsored and kept up the regime?

Hint, its a country east of Afganistan.

Srirangan · 08-31-2005, 12:18 PM

Arre take my advise .. blame the goras! It's fun and catchy .. and the best part, we al can play along!

screw the brits

lemontree · 09-01-2005, 00:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Neo

No need to occupy Afghanistan. If the government is overthrown, which is still a possibility when the Americans have gone, civil war will do the job.

That is a possibility keeping in mind their track record of infighting. I mean even after the Soviets withdrew, they did not end the fighting but took their country back into the stone age.

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And if somehow PA gets involved, we might aswell settle things in NWFP and get rid of those warloards so the province finaly can come to terms with Islamabad.

In case of a civil war in Afghanistan the involvement of PA is inevitable. But PA will not be able to get rid of the warlords since the hav'nt been able to do that in NWFP since 1947. Infact far from removing them the PA bribes them for peace, as was done in 2003/4.

08-31-2005, 10:11 AM	#79 (permalink)
Srirangan *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 08-06-04 Location: New Delhi Posts: 3,030 Country:	Yeap post-Taliban suggestions had plans of each of the neighbouring countries absorb their ethnicities from Afghanistan into them. There were mixed reactions about this in Pakistan and Iran. :D When was this again? I mean, why the hell would America decide to give Afghanistan to Iran and Tajikistan let alone Pak? Pak itself doesn't have Baloch and NWFP under control, no way can they control additional territory. And America would no way gift Iran and Tajikistan. Wouldn't make sense now would it? __________________ I rant, therefore I am.

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Neo Silent lurker *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 04-06-05 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 7,920 Country:	No need to occupy Afghanistan. If the government is overthrown, which is still a possibility when the Americans have gone, civil war will do the job. And this time we should not come to help. And if somehow PA gets involved, we might aswell settle things in NWFP and get rid of those warloards so the province finaly can come to terms with Islamabad.

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Asim Aquil Banished *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 06-11-04 Location: Dubai Posts: 8,135 Country:	Yeap post-Taliban suggestions had plans of each of the neighbouring countries absorb their ethnicities from Afghanistan into them. There were mixed reactions about this in Pakistan and Iran. The nay sayers said its too much of a problematic region to absorb in. Afghanis can't think beyond ethnicities. They can't think nationally. The Pashtuns should've enjoyed the power of the majority in Afghanistan but its always been the smaller ethnic groups. Which forces them to come to Pakistan, where they atleast have representation in the Pakistan federation.

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Sameer Banished *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 07-12-05 Posts: 2,541	"During the Taliban period, twenty-four per cent of all foreign militants in J and K were from Afghanistan, and with their ouster, the percentage has dropped to two per cent." Right and now they have been replaced with Pakistani Punjabis and wacky NW Pathans, oh the so called indegenous Kashmiri struggle.

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AbbasRazzaKhan New Member Join Date: 08-30-05 Posts: 22	AFghan should not be power posturing land of anybody india or pakistan or iran of usa. respect the boundry's everyone. you blame us for taliban, had the world forgoten pakistan for creating that group? when they took kaandahar taliban was lead by pak army general .. but pak conviniently blame us for taliban now? why dont world blame arabia for spreadin by version of extremist islam? why only blame afghan and use afghan land for your selfish game everyone?

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Srirangan *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 08-06-04 Location: New Delhi Posts: 3,030 Country:	Arre take my advise .. blame the goras! It's fun and catchy .. and the best part, we al can play along! screw the brits

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