Khan_Han

But we must not also forget that the Australian Liberal Party was distributing fake letters claiming them to be from an Australian Muslim organization in a bid to slander Australian muslims and gain political advantage. Hence, we cannot not discount the fact that it could be a fake letter by an imaginary "sheik".

Libs' fake Muslim letter roundly condemned

Liberal shame over fake pamphlet - Federal Election 2007 News - smh.com.au

Libs handed out fake Muslim flyers | The Australian

I also deplore people who imply that all Australian or Brittish Citizens of Muslim decent are possible or pottential terrorists. If the world's 1.6 billion muslims were all terrorist the world would not be in the current state it is in!

Expat Canuck

Khan you did not follow that story well I see.

All those involved in that hate mongering where banned from the Liberal party as they where not welcome any longer.

We pay attention to muslim/insert new country here, because quite simply muslims around the world are blowing stuff up and killing people. It's a visable minority doing very visable vile act. Their peers also don't seem to try and keep them in check too well either and while not all muslims are terrorists a lot have sympathies otherwise those massive riots the world over would not be happening would it.

I don't see the Aussie Greeks or Italians spewing this crap. I don't see the Turks doing it here, nor the Somalies or me a Canadian. I don't write horrible letters or go to a mosque to hear hate speaches. In fact if I caught some whities doing the same I'll be looking for something heavy to throw. Already hit one Aussie here in a taxi for being a putz like that.

Muslims should do the same if you want us to stop being worried about you and what some of your brothers might do. How could we think differently?

Khan_Han

Exactly, we as Turkish Australians don't get involved with those who preach hate in a bid to attain personal gain. But, please do not forget that we as Turkish Australians are also muslims, and we hate being put into the same category as those scums that blow themselves up with total disregard for human life.

Now regarding those Australian or British born muslims who are easily radicalised I blame our respective governments. It is they who allow these radical clerics who have no education whatsoever in theology to brain wash our children. They are the ones who give these idiots the VISA's enabling them to enter our countries. Why doesn't Australia invite educated Muslim clerics from official authorities on the Islamic religion such as the Presidency of Religious Affairs in Ankara, Turkey? This institution is 400 years old and is the successor entity to the Caliphate, the islamic equivalent of the papacy. These individuals are very heighly educated not only on islam but on all religions. They could write a book on Christianity. They are the symbols of true religion. Peaceful and Respectful of other religions.

But why is it that our governments prefer Wahabi clerics rather than clerics trained by the actual authority on Islam. Why doesn't Australia and Britain follow Germany and the US and seek assistance from the Presidency of Religious Affairs?

This is how it should be: Christianity and Islam united!

Cactus

Yup, something like that. BTW Shek's thread in Staff College - Engineers of Jihad - is somewhat along similar lines, so I was surprised it hasn't generated much replies. You can bet almost all the posters here have run across atleast one or two instances of esurgency-lite, but it is somewhat open to interpretation as to whether it is true esurgency or plain old trolling (sort of like whether some of the Iraqi "insurgents" are really insurgents or plain old opportunistic criminals).

Khan_Han

What are they trying to imply now...that all muslim engineers, doctors etc are terrorists? It is stupid generalisations such as these that create conflict. Instead of researching who is and who is not a terrorist, lets start researching how we can all live in peace! I am sick to death from listening to anti-islamic rhetoric, when we should be trying to stop terrorism! Every action has an equal and opposite reaction...if you start ostracizing muslims from mainstream civilisation you will only get more potential radicals. You just make it easier for the radical scums to recruit young, helpless and vulnerable children!

snc128

That is another thing which needs to be revised and and we should ask the question WHY?

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Cactus

If you actually bother to follow the link you will find the research as well as data that support the title, have you done that? If so, and if you have not been banished permanently, pick up the issue on the thread it refers to. I will be happy to discuss it with you there.

By the way the Moslem engineers and doctors who resort to Islamist terror aren't being alienated from mainstream civilization, they are doing it to themselves by their choices. If anything, identifying and educating the young, helpless and vulnerable students about making the right choices should be the priority - not burying it under feel-good objections. It is not a unique issue for Islamists either: an IEEE Spectrum article a few years back talked about engineers being prominent in other totalitarian organizations under certain circumstances as well.

texacali

A vile act intended only to deepen the grief of a soldiers family. This so-called sheikh should face judgement of the one true God.

Khan_Han

If you re-read my post above, you will see that I was refering to mainstream muslims, not the terrorists as you assert. Please do not distort my words, they are chosen very carefully. In actual fact I am a strong believer of the notion that not only should terrorists be alienated from mainstream civilization, but they should also be removed from this planet!

What I am highlighting is that, muslim university student will fall prey to generalisations such as those made in the article mentioned above. Out of the 1.6 billion world muslim population, there are only about maximum 100,000 terrorists. This does not even equate to 0.2% of the total population. Yet, 1.6 billion are characterised as such. This is perpostrous!

Khan_Han

Correction: Muslims don't blow themselves up as you have wrongly asserted above! Terrorists blow themselves up. There are terrorists from every religion. It is just very unfortunate that the muslims have been highlighted.

Below is a non-exhaustive list of World Terrorist Organizations (The names of the religion, members of the terrorist organizations claim to belong to are in inverted comas, because I am of the opinion that no religion condones or incites terrorism):

“Christian” terrorist organizations
Euzkadi Ta Askatasuna (ETA) (Basque Fatherland and Liberty)
First of October Antifascist Resistance Group (GRAPO)
Army of God - An American anti-abortion terrorist group
God's Army - A terrorist group in Myanmar
Nagaland Rebels (1947-present) Active in predominantly Christian state in Hindu majority India. Involved in several bombings in 2004. Claimed hundreds of lives.
National Liberation Front of Tripura (1989-present)
Phineas Priesthood An American based Christian Identity movement
National Democratic Front of Bodoland, active terrorist in the Indian state of Assam, involved in the murder of Bineshwar Brahma, prominent Hindu Bodo activist and bombings
ASALA- Christian Armenian based terrorist organization which has conducted several bombings and assassinations of diplomats in Europe and Middle-East.
Alex Boncayao Brigade (ABB)

“Islamist” terrorist organizations
Abu Sayyaf (1991-present; Islamist separatists; the Philippines)
Based in the southern islands of Jolo, Basilan, and Mindanao.
Branched off of the Moro National Liberation Front.
Aden-Abyan Islamic Army (Yemen)
Al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya (Late 1970s-present; Islamists; Egypt)
Seeks to establish Islamist state in Egypt. Usually targets secular establishments, government buildings, police, the military, minorities, tourists, and “morally offensive” buildings.
Armed Islamic Group (1992-present; Islamists; Algeria)
Seeks to establish Islamist state in Algeria. Began operations in 1992 after the Algerian government ignored election results that gave victory to Islamist political parties.
Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades
Ansar al-Islam (December 2001-present; Islamists; Iraq)
Al-Qaeda (1988-present; Islamists; Afghanistan, Pakistan, and worldwide)
Asbat al-Ansar (early 1990s-present; Lebanese Sunni Islamists; southern Lebanon)
Eastern Turkestan Islamic Movement - al-Qaeda linked separatist group in China's Xinjiang Autonomous Region aiming to establish an Islamic state. Banned by China, along with related groups East Turkestan Liberation Organization, World Uighur Youth Congress and East Turkistan Information Center
Egyptian Islamic Jihad - Egypt (active since the late 1970s)
Fatah al-Islam - Lebanon (al-Qaeda inspired group which briefly took over Nahr el-Bared refugee camp in 2007, before being defeated by the Lebanese Armed Forces)
Hamas - West Bank, Gaza Strip. Listed as a terrorist organization by Australia, Canada, the European Union, Israel, and the United States[2]
Harakat ul-Mujahidin (HUM) - Pakistan and Kashmir
Hezbollah - Lebanon; Listed as a terrorist organization by Australia, Canada, the Netherlands, Israel, and the United States
Hizbul Mujahideen - Pakistan and Kashmir
Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan - Uzbekistan
Jaish-e-Mohammed - Pakistan
Jaish Ansar al-Sunna - Iraq
Jemaah Islamiyah - Southeast Asia
Lashkar-e-Jhangvi - Pakistan
Lashkar-e-Toiba - Pakistan
Moroccan Islamic Combatant Group - Morocco and Spain
Moro Islamic Liberation Front - (Islamic separatists; the Philippines)
Palestinian Islamic Jihad - Israel, West Bank, Gaza Strip
People Against Gangsterism and Drugs - South Africa
RSM or Rajah Solaiman Movement - Philippines
Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat - Algeria
Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan - Pakistan
Students Islamic Movement of India - India
Takfir wal-Hijra - Egypt/Sudan/Algeria
Turkish Hezbollah - Kurdish organization operating in Turkey
Turkish Islamic Jihad - Turkey


Jewish
Jewish Defense League
Kach
Kahane Chai (designated as terrorist by Israel, the EU, and USA)
Irgun (Irgun Zvai Leumi, National Military Organization, Etzel)

Sikh

Babbar Khalsa- killed in excess of 1000 people
International Sikh Youth Federation
Khalistan Zindabad Force

troung

ABB are reds...

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