Thread: End of the Imaginary Durand Line

His understanding of his mother tongue is going kaput, what should i do then?

Originally Posted by Neo

Sir, I'm just curious what a couple of mountains are worth to any of us.

- Important for strategic defence. You occupy the heights in mountains. If you have seen the Kyber pass and the surrounding mountains you will see that the features on the Afghan side are at lower heights and all your defences are more or less on interconnected ridges.
- Part of your own land plus it is disputed (legal issues).

It still is the boundry between China and Pakistan, two countries with all weather friendship!

In geo-political terms it is a sell out to gain an enemy's enemy as a friend.

Originally Posted by Ray

Neo,

It has been gifted to China. Would you gift the Gwadar port? After all. China is building it because of friendship! Would you part with Rai-Bhoi-di Talwandi in the present distrect of Shekhupura (Pakistan), now Nanakana Sahib because Guru Nanak was born there?

No, ofcourse not. Gwadar is of great importance and not compareable to those mountains. But I get your point.

True that it is not developed as the rest of India. It is not that the eastern part of India is neglected, it is just that they are too laid back including my own state West Bengal.

Why has it been left behind? Do you have same kind of tribal problem as we have in NWFP?

Since you are saner than most, let me tell you I flew over (side) Olthingthang in POK (Northern Area). There was no electricity! That was not so on our side, even if things were not perfect. I also interacted with those who use to go across. The NE was better off than the Shias of Northern Areas as per what I learn't.

I see.
Under current plan electricity supply will cover 100% of the land, including all of Azad Kashmir and NA.

True.

But just to rib you.

Pak means Pure. His Urdu maybe poor and so he used "Pure". He maybe a brown sahib for all we know!

Sir,
My Urdu is perfect in both reading and writing and I know waht Pakistan means and what it stands for.
To me its a pure country, many have suffered and offered their lives creating and defending it.
I just don't understand why so many Hindu poster feel the urge to be sarcastic when talking about Pakistan.

If Pakistan is Pureland by the meaning of the word, so is Hindustan Hinduland!
Correct me here if I'm wrong.

My son in law's grandmotehr is one. She uses a fork and knife to cut 'papads"! I tried it and the papad flew into my wife's face and cut her!

I sure would feel out of place if India becomes a Hinduland and so I wrote. It is a land not of Hindus alone. It is a land of all who form its citizenship of every single religion.

True

Originally Posted by lemontree

- Important for strategic defence. You occupy the heights in mountains. If you have seen the Kyber pass and the surrounding mountains you will see that the features on the Afghan side are at lower heights and all your defences are more or less on interconnected ridges.
- Part of your own land plus it is disputed (legal issues).

I've seen the Khyber pass, but again not compareable to those mountains we gifted to China.
I'm trying to find if there has been any dispute or inacuracy on the borederline between GB and China which was settled this way.
I must confess that I don't have anything to defend Pak's discicion to gift it away to Chinese.

In geo-political terms it is a sell out to gain an enemy's enemy as a friend.

Yeah..it always works.
I've read how many Indians sympethise with Afghanis and would like to 'help' to get their claimed land back from Pakistan

Originally Posted by Neo

I've seen the Khyber pass, but again not compareable to those mountains we gifted to China.
I'm trying to find if there has been any dispute or inacuracy on the borederline between GB and China which was settled this way.
I must confess that I don't have anything to defend Pak's discicion to gift it away to Chinese.



Yeah..it always works.
I've read how many Indians sympethise with Afghanis and would like to 'help' to get their claimed land back from Pakistan

Just shows how much sensitive u ppl are to kashmir cause . Gifting away territories.

Pakistan has even giften Chin kashmir to China, they would never dare, not once, protest against their Chinese masters.

Pakistanis on this forum dont even care about Palestinians, they are supposed to be occupied, if Pakistan cares so much about occupied peoples, then it SHOULD AT LEAST BE CONSISTENT, heck it gives its missiles foreign names, why not have a consisten foreign policy. Pakistan should be consistent in foreign policy and critisize the Chinese occupation of Tibet.

Set your own record right about Hungry and Prague during the early ears of Cold War befor critisizing us about Palestenians. We have supported them from the very beginning and even fought a war for them.
Now it's time to change tactics...we have come to realise that it's not our war!

Neo,

Hungary and Prague (Czechoslovakia) were Communist nations and does not have the same signification as Palestine to Moslems all over the world, not only Paksitanis.

In fact, it is believed that Palestine is the source of all the ill will of Moslems towards the West and if Palestine is solved everything will fall in to place!

Originally Posted by Ray

Neo,

Hungary and Prague (Czechoslovakia) were Communist nations and does not have the same signification as Palestine to Moslems all over the world, not only Paksitanis.

The communist part is right, but India clearly didn't want to upset the Sovjets and didn't condemn the action.
Thats a fact!
Very Indian thinking to condemn Pakistan for being silent about communist Tibet while India did the same!

In fact, it is believed that Palestine is the source of all the ill will of Moslems towards the West and if Palestine is solved everything will fall in to place!

True, very true!
Modern era terrorism started there

Neo has not indicate any traditional animosity and instead has been logical and polite even if he has disagreed with views.

I, for one, would like to extend the same courtesy to him.

In fact, it is always a pleasure to discuss with him since an equation of sanity prevails.

Thank you Sir!

Feelings are mutual

The fact that Pak army can venture in these areas under extreme caution and by paying protection money to local warlords, speaks volumes about its writ in this area. By contrast, even under difficult circumstances(festered by Pak), you have many western tourists in Indian part of Kashmir.

Originally Posted by gilgamesh

The fact that Pak army can venture in these areas under extreme caution and by paying protection money to local warlords, speaks volumes about its writ in this area. By contrast, even under difficult circumstances(festered by Pak), you have many western tourists in Indian part of Kashmir.

These were the same tactics used by the British. I believe the NWFP tribals are a very, very difficult lot to deal with.

Originally Posted by Neo

I've seen the Khyber pass, but again not compareable to those mountains we gifted to China.
I'm trying to find if there has been any dispute or inacuracy on the borederline between GB and China which was settled this way.
I must confess that I don't have anything to defend Pak's discicion to gift it away to Chinese.

Neo,
The Durand and MacMohan lines are the resultof British efforts to creat buffer areas against a Russian invasion of India. These lines are as a result of coerced decisions imposed upon the Afghans and the Chinese by the British, after independence the inheritors of these lines have had different opinions with the original land owners. Hence, the problem festers till today.

Yeah..it always works.
I've read how many Indians sympethise with Afghanis and would like to 'help' to get their claimed land back from Pakistan

If there was no Op Topac launched in 1988/89, things would have been different. Its a natural reactions of self-preservation.