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Ms. Farhat Taj is a pashtu researcher working at the University of Oslo. She's also engaged with a non-profit organization known as the AIRRA Institute. Ms. Taj has been conducting a very interesting campaign to battle Pakistani public perceptions about the use of drones throughout Waziristan. I'm also now involved with a young man here at WAB known to you as IHM. He also has very important perspectives on these and related issues.
There is one modest telephone poll and three important columns which serve as background to these e-mails. One of the three columns is by Irfan Husain, a op-ed columnist for DAWN. Ms. Taj has been writing through the NEWS and the DAILY TIMES. All are english-language Pakistani daily newspapers.
The first column is in fact a summary of a telephone survey Ms. Taj conducted with about 600 FATAville professionals just about a year ago-
Drone Attacks: A Survey- Ms. Farhat Taj NEWS March 5, 2009
Drone Attacks: Challenging Some Fabrications- Ms. Farhat Taj DAILY TIMES Jan. 4, 2010
That second column was picked up by Mr. Irfan Husain and echoed here-
Howling At The Moon- Irfan Husain DAWN Jan. 9, 2010
and, finally, Ms. Taj offered these thoughts yesterday to which I took exception and spurring my e-mail-
Analysis: Drone Attacks And U.S. Reputation- Ms. Farhat Taj DAILY TIMES Feb. 5, 2010
Ms. Farhat Taj,
Respectfully I'd like to thank you for the important work you've done on behalf of the pashtun community of Pakistan, particularly FATA to dramatize the desperate plight they've faced at the hands of both Al Qaeda and the Afghan/Pakistani taliban. They are the enemies of mankind and your work, beginning with your telephone survey last spring of 2009 and the two recent columns in the DAILY TIMES are valuable cries in the wilderness. Clearly, it has not gone unnoticed, at least in some quarters. Mr. Irfan Husain's superb column "Howling At The Moon", went far to assist your efforts I believe. Nor has it gone unnoticed in America. At least not by myself and I've humbly done what I can to make certain certain elements of our academic community know that their opposititon to drone attacks based upon collateral suffering are misplaced, ill-founded, and serving the purposes of evil designs.
OTOH, I noticed this-
"Now the only possibility is that you have ulterior motives, which could facilitate al Qaeda’s escape from Waziristan..."
Sadly, it is not the only possibility if only because you ascribe an omnipotence to America that we simply don't possess. I believe that my government is doing as much as it possibly can to interdict Al Qaeda given the current political climate both in Pakistan and throughout Islam. I urge you to convey to the people of FATA that the American government cannot assure the 100% eradication of this threat. It is global already regardless of whether Al Qaeda is able to successfully migrate elsewhere or is destroyed inside FATA. Three separate American presidential administrations of both major parties reaching back to the Clinton administration have been engaged in doing so amidst differing geo-political conditions. It is important to remember the attacks upon our country at the World Trade Center in 1994, well before 9/11 as well as the attacks upon our embassies in Nairobi and Dar-es-Salaam along with the strike upon the USS Cole to highlight the length of time which has transpired in which we've been engaged with these enemies of mankind.
We are incompetent, if perfection defines competency. There continues to exist an incomplete understanding of the depth of penetration that Al Qaeda has achieved both within Pakistan as well as globally. As such, perfectly thorough targeting of these enemies within FATA is impossible to achieve. We are doing our best to eliminate this scourge despite very incomplete assistance from the various Pakistani governments since 2001. Had we our way, Pakistan would have ejected Omar, Osama Bin Laden, Haqqani, and Hekmatyar when they retreated into Pakistan following their defeat in Afghanistan in late 2001. This didn't happen for a variety of now obvious geo-strategic reasons relating to Pakistan's continued interference in Afghan internal affaris through its pursuit of strategic depth/influence.
Al Qaeda's leaders may yet flee Pakistan's tribal areas. Were I Zawahiri or Bin Laden I would attempt to do so but I believe Bin Laden is quite ill. I also believe that Al Qaeda believes that their best chance of acquiring a nuclear weapon or fissionable material lies in the continuing de-stabilization and radicalization of the Pakistani state. This, by itself, might mitigate some of your concerns about an enmasse migration.
We are also not, as far as I can ascertain, engaged in promoting uzbek islamic terror ambitions and I would point to our destruction of both Juma Namangani in 2001 and his associate Tohir Yuldashev last August 29, 2009 to reinforce this point. As for support of both Jundallah and the Sinkiang muslim uighar movements, neither element possess sufficient traction or credibility as legitimate nationalist movements to inspire such support by the American government. Neither represent legitimate voices of their peoples.
That should be separated, however, from our concerns about both the uighar peoples and those of Balochistan and their legitimate aspirations within the chinese and Pakistani polity.
I'd dispute from afar the notion that America has not killed innocents inside FATA from drone attacks, if the wives and children of those harboring our enemies count as such. In my view they certainly do and almost certainly have been the occasional collateral victims of their husband/masters by choices overwhich they've had no power to contest. This seems a reasonable assumption on my part-and unavoidable. Is it a lot? I don't believe so. Have there been others? I suspect that attacks occasionally have caught some youth and others attracted to the false charisma that these men eminate. If nearby when HELLFIRE strikes, they've certainly been victims. This reaches to an old American adage that those who sleep with dogs get fleas. No father/husband in his right mind, however, should permit the association (even peripheral) of his family with these men. They are constant targets and subject to strikes at any time. If nearby when this occurs, you will quite likely be killed.
Nonetheless, the unfortunate and unverified claims of hundreds of innocents for but a few of these enemies is sheer dissemblance to perpetuate a false message and, unfortunately, many academics in America (to include even within our defense education community) have picked up this false cry. Most prominent there have been the Australian cultural anthropologist infantry colonel David Kilcullen and his American associate Andrew Exum of the Center For New American Security. Also both Professors Thomas Johnson and John Arquilla of the U.S. Naval Post-Graduate School in Monterey, California have picked up the cry of unwarranted civilian killings and the consequent schism this may cause in Pakistan. It is inaccurate in my view but, nonetheless, a trumpeted axiom.
You may consider contacting these men and sharing your perspectives and data with them. I would.
Drone attacks are absolutely a necessary component of the defense of ISAF's troops and the Afghan people. We've little else of avail short of carpet bombings or invasion but drone attacks are not, however accurate, a perfect weapon. We will miss targets only by virtue of fully determining and confirming their locations. However, HELLFIRE hits at which it is fired with unerring accuracy. It is a precision anti-tank weapon that has been tested hundreds of times to confirm such and I've little doubt of its abilities.
God bless you on your brave work and those behind the Peshawar declaration. I wish you nothing but success in attempting to change the climate within Pakistan of a country and people defending an army and not the reverse along with the attendant pervasive climate of conspiracy surrounding such. America is not Pakistan's enemy. At least not its people.
I'm but a simple citizen-neither a scholar nor any longer an active soldier. I possess no special voice though I'm heavily engaged discussing these important issues daily with friends of mine (and many enemies) inside Pakistan ...
Good luck with your continuing work,
Sincerely,
Steven Pitcock
Here is Ms. Taj's reply. It's very interesting to say the least.
DEar Steven,
I thank you very much for the detailed email and appreciation my and my colleagues' work!
You are right. The Americans, in fact no humans are omnipotence. But we know people who are determined never let golden opportunities go away. Here is Waziristan the US has a golden opportunity i.e. the Muslim society in the area is supporting the US actions against the dominant public opinion in Pakistan and across the Muslim world. My Op-Ed got editorially killed a bit. I had another message from the people of Waziristan to the US, which the editor did not allow in the published piece: the US must hit each and every one of the funeral ceremonies of Al-Qaida and Taliban. You kill so many of them in one attack when they are gathered together- funeral ceremonies are one of such occasions. People of Waziristan referred to the drone attack on the funeral ceremony of KHwaz Wali, the right hand man of Baitullah Mehsud. Khwaz Wali closely coordinated with the Arabs and other alien militants. This attacks happened a few months before the one that killed Baitullah. The attack on the KHwaz Wali funeral ceremony killed so many of the Taliban and Al-Qaida, including Bilal, an important Taliban commander. People of Waziridstan wonder why the US has stopped attacking funeral ceremonies any more. If by any chance you come in contact with the US authorities who deal with the drones, kindly tell them that people of Waziristan say that funeral ceremonies are one of those occasions when so many of the monsters are in one spot and an attack on the spot would kill so and so people want relentless attacks and each and every funeral ceremonies!
The Americans have badly failed in public diplomacy across the Muslim world as can be seen in the rising anti-Americanism there. One reason, of course of this is that there is one-sided anti-US propaganda every single day. HUman beings are human being- they get affected with one sided propaganda, especially when there is no systematic US efforts to counter the propaganda-
I do not see any in Pakistan. By chance there is an opportunity in Waziristan where the Muslim society is looking favorably at the US. If the US disappoints the people of Waziristan (for whatever reason, human limitations or whatever) it wont help US anything in terms of anti-Americanism in the Muslim world.
I am getting so many emails from Muslim in different countries in response to my this Op-Ed- they say that I have rightly pointed out the root cause of the security problem in the Muslim world i.e. Al-Qaida is strategic asset of the US, which it is relating from one Muslim society to another. The perception would be greatly challenged if people of Waziristan argue differently following the US elimination of Al-Qaida and Taliban on their soil.
By eliminating of Al-Qaida and Taliban, they mean, destroy their training camps, headquarters, their weapons storages, their vehicles including Haqni's terror sectariat in North Waziristan, and kill their top and middle level leaders, preferably along with all adult male heirs of Al-Qaid and Taliban, both Pakhtun ad Punjabi.
In terms of civilian causalities- the terrorists are careful now. They no more keep their families close to them. The only thing that people of Waziristan say is bothersome about the drone attacks is loud sound of the explosions which scares their children.
I am surprised people attached with leading think tanks could be so uncritical! How could they accept the news report about the 'civillian causalities' as truth and propagate it without any verifiable evidence! I understand they do not follow the research ethics and the usual critical behavior that one would expect from researchers. Actually most of what has been produced by the Western and Pakistani think tanks about FATA and NWFP in the context of the war on terror is based on lies, fabrications and distortions of our ground reality and facts in our culture and history. I am going to challenge some of the leading think tanks in my forth coming book, Taliban and Anti-Taliban.
Please share with me the email address of the scholars that you mentioned. I will keep sending my Op-Ed's to them. If you have any other suggestion to put me in contact with them, please do so.
I will share you email with some tribal leaders, political activists and women of Waziristan, I mean those who have access to email or phone. Will come back to you, if they had any comments for you. Will share your email with others (who do not have access to emails and phones) in my next trip to Pakistan.
Regards
Farhat Taj
Sorry for the length but I'd encourage those here who believe they've heard and read it all about Pakistan to read a bit more that's offered now. Thanks.
"This aggression will not stand, man!"
Jeff Lebowski
Good work mate. Looks like you've gone global.![]()
Win nervously lose tragically - Reds C C
Steven of Waziristan shall be appearing in theatres near you soon. There are some real issues involved here that I allude to in this post on the "Welcome To Pakistan thread.
Ms. Taj has NO LOVE whatsoever for the taliban and holds the American government hostage by her suggestion that anything short of the complete eradication of Al Qaeda inside Waziristan might only occur by our connivance to perpetuate A.Q. as a trojan horse with which to penetrate throughout Islam.
It's an interesting if cynical ploy. I don't know enough about her but I believe she's rather deeply involved in womans' issues inside FATA and you can imagine how infuriating THAT might be. As such, a woman's wrath is to be feared and she's pulling out all the stops.
On a side note, you might wish to get to know IHM a bit more when he stops by. I've been aware of Ms. Taj for some time but he's the first who's tried to alert me to her. He didn't know of my prior knowledge here. I've also been in communication with a professor at the U.S. Naval Post-Graduate School but he and Thomas Johnson adamantly oppose PREDATOR. I think wrongly so and without sound basis. Taj has more credibilitiy, IMV, than any of our think-tankers (including Kilcullen) on this issue of PREDATOR.
Beyond that, she's reaching a bit.
The four links offered as a preface are important reading to understand her perspectives and that of Irfan Husain. There's also the matter of the Peshawar Declaration which came to the fore in December from a conference of liberal parties in Pakistan.
"This aggression will not stand, man!"
Jeff Lebowski
S2 Sir, in the context of your e-mail exchanges with Ms Farhat Taj, and this drone topic, you might want to read this article.
Almost every day, reports come back from the CIA’s “secret” battlefield in the Pakistani tribal borderlands. Unmanned Aerial Vehicles -- that is, pilot-less drones -- shoot missiles (18 of themin a single attack on a tiny village last week) or drop bombs and then the news comes in: a certain number of al-Qaeda or Taliban leaders or suspected Arab or Uzbek or Afghan “militants”have died. The numbers are often remarkably precise. Sometimes they are attributed to U.S. sources, sometimes to the Pakistanis; sometimes, it’s hard to tell where the information comes from. In the Pakistani press, on the other hand, the numbers that come back are usually of civilian dead. They, too, tend to be precise.
Don’t let that precision fool you. Here’s the reality: There are no reporters on the ground and none of these figures can be taken as accurate.
Tomgram: Pratap Chatterjee, Destabilizing Pakistan | TomDispatch
Thanks for the article.
The only ones who know for certain are the taliban.
The locals know more but not perfectly. So too our intelligence and the ISI.
How? We've agents and SIGINT. They have to communicate and, trust me, they're monitored. There are no landlines and they are DEATHLY afraid of using vehicles day or night.
TomDispatch doesn't have the insights that Ms. Taj has. Nor the access. Further, she isn't the only one that's saying PREDATOR is having a HUGE effect on the enemy.
"This aggression will not stand, man!"
Jeff Lebowski
Sadly, even the facts that Farhat Taj so clearly brings out (including the Peshawar declaration by the locals) seems not to have made a dent in the majority Pakistanis frequenting the forms.
They seem to just shrug this off and continue to pretend that the drones are killing civilians and are unpopular with the tribals.
There are 10 kinds of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don’t..
I've got to say that might be changing a wee tad with more than just Ms. Taj from my own experiences.
Tiny but I've noticed something of late...maybe.
"This aggression will not stand, man!"
Jeff Lebowski
I think you are perhaps referring to the recent TTP kills by the drones that makes the premise of CIA support for them unsustainable to those who would look.
People are justifiably happy for that but I think in their opinion Pakistan's interests in Afghanistan don't align with those of the USA and ISAF. That results in the confusing treatment of this issue that is so contradictory, it is not even funny.
I agree that at least some are beginning to see the reality. That is a positive sign.
There are 10 kinds of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don’t..
I thing the present arrangement suits them fine.
The terrorists are dispatched to hell and they can blame the USA for any collateral damage, real or not.
For claiming the credit, just the hint of intelligence provided for the attacks is enough.
The occasional protest makes sure that the illusion is kept alive.
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There are 10 kinds of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don’t..
I'd presume that most are aware of the prevailing message that the GoP have sent WRT Afghanistan, FATA, and drones. That ground doesn't need to be re-walked, does it?
Clearly what's being discussed on this thread ISN'T about what we've been spoon-fed WRT civilian collateral casualties or the public mood/opinion in Pakistan. There's another discussion that's going on that interests me.
That's why I created the thread.
Thanks.
"This aggression will not stand, man!"
Jeff Lebowski
S2:
I commend you on a fine piece of erudition. It certainly kicks the WAB up a notch or two.
The distinction between public opinion in the FATA and elsewhere in Pakistan is, as far as I can tell, lost on the western media. Maybe some journalists, who do their homework, have written on the subject. I have yet to see any.
I am surprised that Ms.Taj data is not being highlighted by the administration in defense of the drone campaign. It cannot have gone unnoticed. That leads to the question whether her conclusions can hold up to deep scrutiny.
I wonder if her outspoken distaste of the Taliban and AQ, which, though understandable, makes academics, who revel in 'objectivity', somewhat uneasy in accepting her data. In any case, it seems the message is not having much impact.
To be Truly ignorant, Man requires an Education - Plato
As long as you get a cool hat I'm there.
Thanks for the info. It is certainly broadening my perspectives on the issue.There are some real issues involved here that I allude to in this post on the "Welcome To Pakistan thread.
Ms. Taj has NO LOVE whatsoever for the taliban and holds the American government hostage by her suggestion that anything short of the complete eradication of Al Qaeda inside Waziristan might only occur by our connivance to perpetuate A.Q. as a trojan horse with which to penetrate throughout Islam.
It's an interesting if cynical ploy. I don't know enough about her but I believe she's rather deeply involved in womans' issues inside FATA and you can imagine how infuriating THAT might be. As such, a woman's wrath is to be feared and she's pulling out all the stops.
On a side note, you might wish to get to know IHM a bit more when he stops by. I've been aware of Ms. Taj for some time but he's the first who's tried to alert me to her. He didn't know of my prior knowledge here. I've also been in communication with a professor at the U.S. Naval Post-Graduate School but he and Thomas Johnson adamantly oppose PREDATOR. I think wrongly so and without sound basis. Taj has more credibilitiy, IMV, than any of our think-tankers (including Kilcullen) on this issue of PREDATOR.
Beyond that, she's reaching a bit.
The four links offered as a preface are important reading to understand her perspectives and that of Irfan Husain. There's also the matter of the Peshawar Declaration which came to the fore in December from a conference of liberal parties in Pakistan.
Win nervously lose tragically - Reds C C
I agree and apologize for any distraction from what you had in mind for the thread.
If the premise of the writer is correct then perhaps it needs to be reinforced by some more media sources. It appears that those areas are no go areas for Western journalists and even most Pakistani journalists. May be I am wrong on this.
At least the fact of the Peshawar declaration should be easy enough to verify. I have never even seen that in any media so far. That itself should provide a starting point to at least begin to question the assumptions of the efficacy of drone attacks and any attendant resentment due to collateral damage.
There are 10 kinds of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don’t..
Available through translation offered by KhyberWatch. It's written clumsily, but then, nobody has yet asked me to provide a pashtu or urdu translation so who am I to mock?
Actually, I only offer the smarminess as a warning that, like with Ms. Taj's reply, you must carefully sift the grammar to assure accuracy of intent-
Peshawar Declaration-KhyberWatch Jan. 23, 2010
"This aggression will not stand, man!"
Jeff Lebowski
To me, that list means much of the predominant mainstream political spectrum of the Pakistani tribal belt. ANP was the ruling party (perhaps still is) of the area and is considered the major voice of the Pushtoons.The workshop was attended by the provincial leadership of Awami National Party (ANP), Pukhtunkhwa Mili Awami Party PMAP, Pakistan Peoples Party Parliamentarians (PPPP), Pakistan Peoples Party Sherpao PPP(S), National Party (NP) and Awami party Pakistan (APP). Civil society organizations under the banner of Amn Tehrik, (Peace Movement) businessmen, doctors, lawyers, teachers, students, laborers and intellectuals also participated in the workshop. Representatives from all the agencies of FATA, Swat, Malakand and Buner also participated. A significant number of female participants were also present.
Most people here may not be aware but during the freedom struggle against the British, this area also had a very strong and non-violent movement led by "Frontier Gandhi" (Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan). His followers were called "khudai khidmatgaars" (God's servants).
Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This may provide an interesting aside about these people apart from the "Pushtoonwali" code that is generally well known.
There are 10 kinds of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don’t..
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