US airstrikes in Pakistan

**Kommunist** · 28 Jan 09,, 13:28

Originally Posted by Mobbme

There is not a single power in this world that can stop the air strikes that are taking place.

Theres been a huge surge of troops in Afghanistan the past few weeks, its just a matter of time before Afghanistan is wiped clean of the Taliban and AQ numbskulls. Once Afghanistan's government and local people grow enough balls to actually committ themselves against terrorism, the Troops will then move into these "restricted areas" in Pakistan. We'll be smashing them from one side and the Pakistani troops will have blocked off the other side.

You are assuming that they will not get through the PA lines.
If you try to do this, it will help all of Pakistan become the Talibanistan, because they will infiltrate south and assimilate with the population of Pakistan. If the PA wanted this, how did the Taliban 'get in' in the first place. And if they did once, whats to say that they will not go further into Pakistan when pushed from the Afghan side by US/NATO?

**Mobbme** · 28 Jan 09,, 16:47

Originally Posted by Kommunist

You are assuming that they will not get through the PA lines.
If you try to do this, it will help all of Pakistan become the Talibanistan, because they will infiltrate south and assimilate with the population of Pakistan. If the PA wanted this, how did the Taliban 'get in' in the first place. And if they did once, whats to say that they will not go further into Pakistan when pushed from the Afghan side by US/NATO?

The war on terror is a global war. Terrorists are targeted throughout the world, not just one place.

What I wrote is solely my prediction. There will be an invasion in those "restricted areas" and Pakistan will have to do all it can to make sure they combat the terrorists. The missile assaults are just the beginning.

No one cares what Pakistan wants or doesn't want lol, its like saying India wants terrorists to infiltrate their country, but they don't, but terrorists still accomplish their missions on a regular basis in India, do they not?

**Kommunist** · 29 Jan 09,, 06:38

Originally Posted by Mobbme

The war on terror is a global war. Terrorists are targeted throughout the world, not just one place.

What I wrote is solely my prediction. There will be an invasion in those "restricted areas" and Pakistan will have to do all it can to make sure they combat the terrorists. The missile assaults are just the beginning.

Well, dont mind me saying this but I think you skirted the entire point I was mentioning? What I meant was that the Taliban can move further south, whether the PA is blocking them or not, if pushed by the US. Why, because the Pak govt/military establishment knows it needs the US aid and support and cannot antagonise Washington, but the common man does not think so. They are against these airstrikes and against America, in general. So the Taliban will have local public support. Then the Army will have to take strict measures against the local populace, which I dont think they want to do.

The point is that merely pushing from the Afghan side is not sufficient. You need to have a barrier in place on the other side, which is not porous.

Originally Posted by Mobbme

No one cares what Pakistan wants or doesn't want lol, its like saying India wants terrorists to infiltrate their country, but they don't, but terrorists still accomplish their missions on a regular basis in India, do they not?

Heard of asymmetric warfare, through insurgency? Pakistan does/did support insurgency in the name of J&K. Its only that they have lost the plot now.
Anyways, you sow what you reap.
1. US created OBL, and then 9/11
2. India helped LTTE, and then Rajiv Gandhi assasination.
3. Pakistan and anti-India ideology.........

**Kommunist** · 29 Jan 09,, 06:53

Mobbme, check the article posted by Astralis
Radio Spreads Taliban’s Terror in Pakistani Region

Do you think that PA is willing and capable of cutting off the Taliban from the rest of Pakistan in the NWFP/FATA areas, while US/NATO forces push from the Afghan side??

**Mobbme** · 29 Jan 09,, 12:09

Originally Posted by Kommunist

Mobbme, check the article posted by Astralis
Radio Spreads Taliban’s Terror in Pakistani Region

Do you think that PA is willing and capable of cutting off the Taliban from the rest of Pakistan in the NWFP/FATA areas, while US/NATO forces push from the Afghan side??

I'd like to hope so. But truth be told, i'm not confident. I know operations in Afghanistan are going really well and as planned, and I know there will be a push into these tribal areas. All in all, Pakistan will HAVE to atleast stand against them; they don't really have a choice.

If Taliban gets pushed into the rest of Pakistan, would it then also be a problem to them? Or will it be a problem to the rest of the world including India?

Pakistani government has nukes, and I know thats the last thing they'd want is for the Taliban to get its hands on the nukes. If that scenario that you mentioned were to go down, whos to say there would even be a Pakistan then?

**Kommunist** · 29 Jan 09,, 13:00

Originally Posted by Mobbme

I'd like to hope so. But truth be told, i'm not confident. I know operations in Afghanistan are going really well and as planned, and I know there will be a push into these tribal areas. All in all, Pakistan will HAVE to atleast stand against them; they don't really have a choice.

What do you mean by "push"? A ground offensive? Reaper drone strikes probably do create temporary panic and fear among the Taliban/AQ (next time, they will hide even deeper), but they cannot stop their activities all the time. For that, you need a ground offensive and an ground presence in NWFP/FATA. Pakistanis are screaming with the ongoing Reaper strikes, what do you think they will say to a US/NATO ground offensive into "Sovereign Pakistani Territory"

, which they cannot control in the first place?

Originally Posted by Mobbme

If Taliban gets pushed into the rest of Pakistan, would it then also be a problem to them? Or will it be a problem to the rest of the world including India?

Pakistani government has nukes, and I know thats the last thing they'd want is for the Taliban to get its hands on the nukes. If that scenario that you mentioned were to go down, whos to say there would even be a Pakistan then?

Pakistani Nukes up for sale to the highest bidder in the terrorist black market!!

I dont want to think about that situation, and I feel neither does anyone else.

BTW, what is Saudi Arabia doing to control its citizen and the flow of petro$ to the terrorists (AQ/Taliban)? AFAIK, 14 out of total 19 of the 9/11 plotters were Saudi nationals.

**Mercenary** · 31 Jan 09,, 21:06

Originally Posted by Kommunist

What do you mean by "push"? A ground offensive? Reaper drone strikes probably do create temporary panic and fear among the Taliban/AQ (next time, they will hide even deeper), but they cannot stop their activities all the time. For that, you need a ground offensive and an ground presence in NWFP/FATA. Pakistanis are screaming with the ongoing Reaper strikes, what do you think they will say to a US/NATO ground offensive into "Sovereign Pakistani Territory"

, which they cannot control in the first place?

Pakistani Nukes up for sale to the highest bidder in the terrorist black market!!

I dont want to think about that situation, and I feel neither does anyone else.

BTW, what is Saudi Arabia doing to control its citizen and the flow of petro$ to the terrorists (AQ/Taliban)? AFAIK, 14 out of total 19 of the 9/11 plotters were Saudi nationals.

If you run through some of the Pak dailies every morning you'd find their perspective to the whole SWAT debacle.. from what I've gathered so far.. the reason why the army has pretty much conceded to "losing" SWAT to the taliban is because the major pak army assets are on the eastern borders (no surprises there) and they've nothing to fear from the western border..until now...

Kayani has "vowed" to take back SWAT irregardless of the sacrifices the army has to make... although they remain sceptical because according to their analysis.. The two super powers- 'USSR' and 'USA led NATO' have found fighting around the valleys of the hindukush mountain ranges incredibly difficult with the former already having admitted defeat and the latter at the brink of defeat..so for the Pak army which is nowhere near these superpowers in terms of military capabilities faces the impossible task of retaking SWAT where the landscape dwarfs the mighty Hindukush ranges along afghanistan

**johnee** · 04 Feb 09,, 17:46

Originally Posted by Kommunist

What do you mean by "push"? A ground offensive? Reaper drone strikes probably do create temporary panic and fear among the Taliban/AQ (next time, they will hide even deeper), but they cannot stop their activities all the time. For that, you need a ground offensive and an ground presence in NWFP/FATA. Pakistanis are screaming with the ongoing Reaper strikes, what do you think they will say to a US/NATO ground offensive into "Sovereign Pakistani Territory", which they cannot control in the first place?

if it were left to pakistanis, then they would want US to rehabilitate taliban back in afghanistan so that pakistani army can go back to its 'strategic depth' option. isnt it amply clear that pakistan has played a double game in fighting terror?

they lack will to fight terror and it is increasingly clear that they lack ability also.

**~~Gokul~~** · 05 Feb 09,, 02:42

if it were left to pakistanis, then they would want US to rehabilitate taliban back in afghanistan so that pakistani army can go back to its 'strategic depth' option. isnt it amply clear that pakistan has played a double game in fighting terror?
they lack will to fight terror and it is increasingly clear that they lack ability also.

Yep, the first part is true, and I'm sure that the Western Intelligence agencies have atleast some knowledge of this double game... though, what surprises me is that other than the supply route Pakistan has effectively nothing to offer the West... but still, the Western governments cozy up to him and do nothing to take him to task...

About the second part, I'd say that they don't have the will to fight their own "muslim brothers", though I believe that they are a very professional army and do have the capability to fight them if they wanted to... but, they don't want to for the above mentioned reason...

**Kernow** · 05 Feb 09,, 04:29

Intensify these Missile attacks, look for this man.

A former Afghan inmate at the US prison in Guantanamo Bay has joined the Taleban's high command in Pakistan, UK government officials say.

They say Mullah Abdul Kayum Sakir, who was released last year, is now closely involved in planning attacks on British and other Nato forces in Afghanistan.

They say he is operating with impunity from the Pakistani city of Quetta.

The Pentagon says more than 10% of 520 inmates released so far have returned to what it calls terrorism.

It says this complicates efforts to release and repatriate those still being held.

US President Barack Obama has long vowed to close the controversial Guantanamo Bay detention centre.

Lord Carlisle's warning

British government officials say Mullah Abdul Kayum Sakir was handed over by the Americans in the spring of 2008 to the Afghan authorities, who briefly imprisoned him in Kabul.

But from there he was released and promptly made his way over the Pakistani border to rejoin the Taleban and its leadership.

Since then, says a US counter-terrorism official, he has had a hand in doing some very bad things.

Meanwhile, Lord Carlisle, the British government's independent reviewer of anti-terrorism laws, warned on Monday against imposing control orders on former Guantanamo inmates if they came to Britain.

He said it was over-simplistic to assume that control orders would be appropriate or even lawful against people simply because they had been detained elsewhere.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/h...pe/7868772.stm

**~~CityOfNineGates~~** · 05 Feb 09,, 14:13

The yes can't get any bigger, aint it? Go ahead ... keep bombing ...

**johnee** · 13 Feb 09,, 03:25

btw, taliban seems to have declared that it would take over islamabad!!
so, taliban is moving eastward, towards india. would US drones also move eastward or would it like india to jump in from east while it takes care of west?

reply guys.

**Mohan** · 13 Feb 09,, 04:17

Originally Posted by johnee

btw, taliban seems to have declared that it would take over islamabad!!

reply guys.

Do you believe that?. No matter where they are, if there is information about them then its guaranteed that they will meet their end.

**johnee** · 13 Feb 09,, 04:29

Originally Posted by Mohan

Do you believe that?. No matter where they are, if there is information about them then its guaranteed that they will meet their end.

taliban has taken over swat and FATA. and swat is pretty close to islamabad. so why should it be so improbable? taliban is not exactly losing in swat.

**~~Gokul~~** · 13 Feb 09,, 14:15

Look, as far as I think, Taliban will find it very difficult to get a foothold in the Punjabi heartland of Pakistan, even though they are of the same religion.

I think the people in the Punjab, even though sympathetic to them, feel that people from the other provinces are "crude barbarians" and would never let them rule over them. And, the army would swing forcefully into action to make sure that these people don't get close to any of the big cities in the Punjabi regions.

Cheers...