Thread: 'Bribes' free top Taleban leader

Here is an idea. Catch a taliban leader and kill the terrorist.

Coruption and bribes in Afghanistan, no way,they are as PURE as the pollititions in the USA! Perhaps they just don`t have the experience and nohow in how to hide it? I`m hoping I just made a joke... But I have a hard time believing it myself.

I`m REALLY sorry if I offended anyone by my last statement, it`s late and I "just" might have misunderstood....

"Here is an idea. Catch a taliban leader and kill the terrorist."

Might go to an American or British military stockade for murder where you'll never bribe your way out.

We are fools to stay, die, and provide aid there or to Pakistan. Utter and complete fools. We should leave lock, stock, and barrel and not leave a DAMNED thing behind. We built it? Destroy it. Blow down every military facility we've constructed. Leave through the north and pay the Russians oodles of money to transport it all home or blow our equipment up in place as well.

Leave Afghanistan with nothing, ask the Indians if they wish to step in, and BOOGIE.

Next time we're attacked from Afghanistan and/or Pakistan, we don't return with anything but our fcukin' airforce.

Originally Posted by S-2

"Here is an idea. Catch a taliban leader and kill the terrorist."

Might go to an American or British military stockade for murder where you'll never bribe your way out.

We are fools to stay, die, and provide aid there or to Pakistan. Utter and complete fools. We should leave lock, stock, and barrel and not leave a DAMNED thing behind. We built it? Destroy it. Blow down every military facility we've constructed. Leave through the north and pay the Russians oodles of money to transport it all home or blow our equipment up in place as well.

Leave Afghanistan with nothing, ask the Indians if they wish to step in, and BOOGIE.

Next time we're attacked from Afghanistan and/or Pakistan, we don't return with anything but our fcukin' airforce.

You know S-2, I think you got something there, and I REALLY love them drones. Death from the sky demands respect!

Originally Posted by S-2

"Here is an idea. Catch a taliban leader and kill the terrorist."

Might go to an American or British military stockade for murder where you'll never bribe your way out.

We are fools to stay, die, and provide aid there or to Pakistan. Utter and complete fools. We should leave lock, stock, and barrel and not leave a DAMNED thing behind. We built it? Destroy it. Blow down every military facility we've constructed. Leave through the north and pay the Russians oodles of money to transport it all home or blow our equipment up in place as well.

Leave Afghanistan with nothing, ask the Indians if they wish to step in, and BOOGIE.

Next time we're attacked from Afghanistan and/or Pakistan, we don't return with anything but our fcukin' airforce.

Here ya go Steve .



NATO took command of the training of the Afghan army and police on Saturday to consolidate efforts on building an effective security force, a vital precondition for the withdrawal of foreign troops.

The existing U.S. training mission, CSTC-A, until now responsible for most of the training, is to merge with the new "NATO Training Mission-Afghanistan" (NTM-A), under a single NATO command, commanders said on Saturday at a ceremony in Kabul.

Deputy Commander of the new NATO mission Major General Michael Ward said he believed the move would encourage more NATO training personnel to be sent to Afghanistan, helping to speed the expansion of local forces.

"I'm very optimistic. We've identified what our needs are and we're bringing those back to NATO to get nations to contribute and we've already seen in this run-up, a significant number of people coming in with exactly the right skills," Ward told Reuters.

There are some 110,000 foreign troops in Afghanistan, including 68,000 Americans, fighting the Taliban that has spread its insurgency from the south and east of the country into previously peaceful areas.

At present there are about 95,000 Afghan soldiers and about 93,000 police.

In his assessment of the war, the U.S. commander in Afghanistan, Army General Stanley McChrystal, has recommended local security forces be eventually raised to a total of 400,000 soldiers and police.

Ward said the immediate aim was to increase the army to 134,000 and the police force to 96,800 by October 2010.

U.S. President Barack Obama is expected to decide in the coming weeks whether to send up a further 40,000 soldiers to Afghanistan, which McChrystal, says he needs.

Military commanders believe the foreign troops can ultimately only buy time before the Afghan army and police force are expanded. Only when they are able to provide security for themselves will foreign troops be able to leave

Eric,

It's a waste. We're building a drug army for our departure. One that we'll pay for in many different ways too. After we leave.

We owe these people nothing but our eternal enmity. Eight years and NOTHING to show for it. In another eight years we'll STILL have nothing to show for it.

I've nothing but contempt for our western leaders and generals.

Originally Posted by S-2

Eric,

It's a waste. We're building a drug army for our departure. One that we'll pay for in many different ways too. After we leave.

We owe these people nothing but our eternal enmity. Eight years and NOTHING to show for it. In another eight years we'll STILL have nothing to show for it.

I've nothing but contempt for our western leaders and generals.

Its what we have been advocating for years Steve , it will be classed as a victory for democracy and a glorious tactical withdrawal i stated much earlier that the drug trade was being better controlled by the tallies before we got into the mess .Lots of money time and most important wasted lives , we all know where the planes need to head for .

Originally Posted by S-2

Eric,

It's a waste. We're building a drug army for our departure. One that we'll pay for in many different ways too. After we leave.

We owe these people nothing but our eternal enmity. Eight years and NOTHING to show for it. In another eight years we'll STILL have nothing to show for it.

I've nothing but contempt for our western leaders and generals.

What is the point of rattling paper sabre's. We have the technology and weapons and we are not using it to our advantage. Many times I have mentioned wiping out the poppy fields to be told it is to appease the Warlords..WTF

"i stated much earlier that the drug trade was being better controlled by the tallies..."

You'd be wrong to state such. They were knee-deep in it then and now. Take a look at this data from UNODC-

2009Afghanistan Opium Survey-UNODC

Go to the graph on page 1 of the survey. Those bars you see for 1999 were then world record hectares planted with opium. Remember that the taliban seized power in 1996 and held power until we kicked them out in late 2001.

While it's since gotten much worse ( and now two years straight a bit better each year), the only reason is that we've enabled both the N.A. drug lords AND the pashtu drug-lords (including the taliban) to have full rein. Back then, cultivation was less because there was more starvation thus a need for more food crops. Plus more civil war thus more soldiers fighting and less growing. Nonetheless, the taliban ALWAYS counted on dope to sustain their efforts. Remember, only Pakistan, the KSA, and the UAE recognized the taliban government.

When the taliban decided they wanted global assistance in early 2001, they cleaned up opium nation-wide in the space of months. Of course, they starved a crap-load of farmers who'd thought they were fine with growing dope and had no clue that the taliban would be dropping the hammer.

Don't agree with how they did it but the faucet could be turned off that quick when farmers understand that it'll cost them their lives to grow poppy.

When the poppy became important again to fund the war, the taliban were knee-deep in it. Ask yourself where the true badlands have been? Helmand south of Garmsir? Sure. Your lads weren't able to get south of there EVER before last April.

Where is the dope grown? Helmand south of Garmsir. Nobody there but pashtus and taliban.

None of them give a sh!t about dope even though their own people are becoming as strung out as the west.

"We have the technology and weapons and we are not using it to our advantage."

Sorry Dave but our advantages aren't in vogue with our squemish leaders and populace. Don't you know it's RUDE to flex your muscles and leverage what you do best?

Silly you. ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS play to your weaknesses-not your strengths.

If nobody's got a clue yet we've spent oodles of money training artillery officers and men to conduct pacification patrols. That should tell you everything you need to know in a nutshell.

Originally Posted by S-2

"i stated much earlier that the drug trade was being better controlled by the tallies..."

You'd be wrong to state such. They were knee-deep in it then and now. Take a look at this data from UNODC-

2009Afghanistan Opium Survey-UNODC

Go to the graph on page 1 of the survey. Those bars you see for 1999 were then world record hectares planted with opium. Remember that the taliban seized power in 1996 and held power until we kicked them out in late 2001.

While it's since gotten much worse ( and now two years straight a bit better each year), the only reason is that we've enabled both the N.A. drug lords AND the pashtu drug-lords (including the taliban) to have full rein. Back then, cultivation was less because there was more starvation thus a need for more food crops. Plus more civil war thus more soldiers fighting and less growing. Nonetheless, the taliban ALWAYS counted on dope to sustain their efforts. Remember, only Pakistan, the KSA, and the UAE recognized the taliban government.

When the taliban decided they wanted global assistance in early 2001, they cleaned up opium nation-wide in the space of months. Of course, they starved a crap-load of farmers who'd thought they were fine with growing dope and had no clue that the taliban would be dropping the hammer.

Don't agree with how they did it but the faucet could be turned off that quick when farmers understand that it'll cost them their lives to grow poppy.

When the poppy became important again to fund the war, the taliban were knee-deep in it. Ask yourself where the true badlands have been? Helmand south of Garmsir? Sure. Your lads weren't able to get south of there EVER before last April.

Where is the dope grown? Helmand south of Garmsir. Nobody there but pashtus and taliban.

None of them give a sh!t about dope even though their own people are becoming as strung out as the west.

Cheers Steve , my bad , i was under the impression that poppies were being grown more now .

Originally Posted by S-2

"We have the technology and weapons and we are not using it to our advantage."

Sorry Dave but our advantages aren't in vogue with our squemish leaders and populace. Don't you know it's RUDE to flex your muscles and leverage what you do best?

Silly you. ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS play to your weaknesses-not your strengths.

If nobody's got a clue yet we've spent oodles of money training artillery officers and men to conduct pacification patrols. That should tell you everything you need to know in a nutshell.

Steve you being sarky , nahhh , never )

"Steve you being sarky , nahhh , never)"

Whaaaa? Who? Me?

Naw...well, maybe a little. Dave's got big shoulders though and knows EXACTLY what I mean.

What's the point anyway? Our ROEs are soooo restrictive that you've fire support officers that fill out training schedules for rifle companies rather than planning immediate suppression fires for patrols.

"Sir! We're taking fire from AZ4213. Can you get us some W.P. ASAP, over?"

"Wait one, over".

tick, tick, tick, tick,...

I don't know about you guys but I think we've too many company and battalion commanders reading social science textbooks and Korans from the comfort of their well-fortified C.P.s and too few of them planning night ambushes.

As far as I'm concerned we only need language skills in dari and pashtu to say,

"WE SURRENDER".