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    PESHAWAR, Pakistan, Nov. 13 — Afghan and NATO security forces have recently rounded up several men like Hafiz Daoud Shah, a 21-year-old unemployed Afghan refugee who says he drove across the border to Afghanistan in September in a taxi with three other would-be suicide bombers.

    Every case, Afghan security officials say, is similar to that of Mr. Shah, who repeated his story in a rare jailhouse interview with a reporter in Kabul, the Afghan capital. The trail of organizing, financing and recruiting the bombers who have carried out a rising number of suicide attacks in Afghanistan traces back to Pakistan, they say.

    “Every single bomber or I.E.D. in one way or another is linked to Pakistan,” a senior Afghan intelligence official said, referring to improvised explosive devices like roadside bombs. “Their reasons are to keep Afghanistan destabilized, to make us fail, and to keep us fragmented.” He would speak on the subject only if not identified.

    A senior United States military official based in Afghanistan agreed for the most part. “The strong belief is that recruiting, training and provision of technical equipment for I.E.D.’s in the main takes place outside Afghanistan,” he said. By I.E.D.’s he meant suicide bombers as well. He, too, did not want his name used because he knew his remarks were likely to offend Pakistani leaders.

    The charge is in fact one of the most contentious that Afghan and American officials have leveled at the Pakistani leadership, which frequently denies the infiltration problem and insists that the roots of the Taliban insurgency lie in Afghanistan.

    The dispute continues to divide Afghan and Pakistani leaders, even as the Bush administration tries to push them toward greater cooperation in fighting the Taliban, whose ranks have swelled to as many as 10,000 fighters this year.

    A year ago, roadside bombs and suicide attacks were rare occurrences in Afghanistan. But they have grown more frequent and more deadly. There have been more than 90 suicide attacks in Afghanistan this year. In September and October, nearly 100 people were killed in such attacks.

    Afghan security forces say that in the same period, they captured 17 suspected bombers, two of them would-be suicide bombers; NATO forces say they caught 10 people planning suicide bomb attacks in recent weeks.

    Last week, for the first time, a Pakistani intelligence official acknowledged that suicide bombers were being trained in Bajaur, a small Pathan tribal area along the border. In a briefing given only on condition of anonymity, the official cited the training as one reason for an airstrike this month on a religious school there that killed more than 80 people.

    The arrests of Mr. Shah and others like him, Afghan and NATO officials say, show that groups intent on carrying out attacks in Afghanistan continue to operate easily inside Pakistan.

    Mr. Shah said he was one of four would-be suicide bombers who arrived in Kabul from Pakistan on Sept. 30. One of them killed 12 people and wounded 40 at the pedestrian entrance to the Interior Ministry the same day.

    The attack was the first suicide bomb aimed not at foreign troops but at Afghans, and it terrified Kabul residents. The dead included a woman and her child.

    By Mr. Shah’s account, it could have been far worse. Mr. Shah said he and his cohort had planned to blow themselves up in four separate attacks in the capital. That they failed was due partly to luck and partly to vigilance by Afghan and NATO security forces. But their plot represented a clear escalation in the bombers’ ambitions in Afghanistan.

    Wearing a black prayer cap and long beard, Mr. Shah recounted his own involvement in the presence of two Afghan intelligence officers at a jail run by the National Directorate of Security. The Afghan intelligence officers offered up Mr. Shah because, unlike others in custody facing similar charges, his investigation was over. He is now awaiting trial.

    Mr. Shah showed no signs of fear or discomfort in front of his guards. But after two weeks in detention, he complained of tiredness and headaches from a longstanding but unspecified mental ailment, something his father confirmed in a separate interview at the family home in Karachi, the southern Pakistani port city.

    At first Mr. Shah, who was educated through the sixth grade, denied that he intended to be a suicide bomber, but said he had gone to Afghanistan only to fight a jihad, or holy war. “I was just thinking of fighting a jihad against the infidels,” he said. “I was hearing there was fighting in Afghanistan and seeing it in the newspapers.”

    But by the end of the hourlong conversation, he admitted that he had intended to blow himself up in Kabul, and said he regretted his actions. He was vague about the target of his suicide mission. “I did not know where I was going to do it,” he said.

    After he was arrested, Mr. Shah said, he learned that one member of his group, whom he called Abdullah, succeeded in carrying out a suicide attack outside the Interior Ministry. “When I was arrested I heard about it and I thought it must be him,” he said.

    “They came here to be martyred,” he said of his three companions, all Pakistanis, all around the same age, and all also from Karachi.

    Mr. Shah himself is one of the 2.5 million Afghans who live as refugees in Pakistan and who, officials on both sides of the border agree, frequently cycle through the ranks of the Taliban and other militant Islamic groups.

    The would-be suicide bombers arrested recently, the Afghan intelligence official said, emerge from two clear strands.

    Some are linked to extremist groups that have long been set up and run by Pakistani intelligence as an arm of foreign policy toward rival governments in Afghanistan and India. They are technically illegal and the government now says it has cracked down on them.

    Others are allied with Afghan groups like the Taliban and the renegade militia commander Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, also a longtime protégé of Pakistani intelligence, who has now allied himself with the Taliban, Afghan and NATO officials say.

    Like Mr. Shah, several other would-be bombers arrested recently have come from Pakistan or were run by commanders based there, they said.

    After a bombing cell of 12 people was picked up in Kabul recently, two of the men continued to receive cellphone calls while in custody, urging them to explode their bombs, the intelligence official said. The calls came from an Afghan commander called Pir Farouq, who lives in the Shamshatoo Afghan refugee camp in Peshawar, a frontier town, and is closely allied with Mr. Hekmatyar.

    When Afghan intelligence, at NATO’s behest, passed on the cellphone number of Pir Farouq to Pakistani intelligence officers, their informer, a member of the commander’s inner circle, was swiftly killed, his body cut into eight pieces and dumped in the camp. NATO officials described the killing to journalists.

    Another group of bombers was captured as they were planning attacks on NATO forces in northern Afghanistan. That cell was also connected to Mr. Hekmatyar, but organized by another of his commanders who lives in Quetta, a Pakistani border town, the intelligence official said.

    In Mr. Shah’s case, he and his companions had all studied at the same religious school, or madrasa, at Masjid-e-Noor, a mosque in Mansehra Colony, a working-class district in northeastern Karachi. Mr. Shah said he studied there for four years, earning the title hafiz, given to one who has memorized the Koran.

    The madrasa was run until recently by Maulavi Abdul Shakoor Khairpuri, who, Mr. Shah said, was a member of a banned jihadi group, Harkat-ul-Mujahedeen. Mr. Shah said it was the maulavi who sent them on the suicide mission.

    The maulavi had given him a note addressed to a man called only Umar, who was waiting for them when they arrived in Kabul. Bearded, aged 28 or 29, Umar was a Taliban member from Kandahar, Mr. Shah said.

    The note directed Umar to give the group explosives and stated that the equivalent of about $1,400 would be given to the families of each bomber after they finished their mission, Mr. Shah said.

    Umar handed them a white rice bag. Inside were four khaki vests, with three pockets sewn on each side of the chest where the explosives were placed. “It has wires leading to a remote control and when you press the button it explodes,” Mr. Shah said.

    “The vests were heavy,” he added. “There were a lot of explosives.”

    Mr. Shah then started looking for a taxi. Someone, apparently an intelligence agent, offered to show him but led him instead to the intelligence office, where he was arrested. The other bombers slipped away with their vests. So did Umar.

    The Afghan intelligence official confirmed much of Mr. Shah’s story. So did Mr. Shah’s father, Ahmed Shah, interviewed last month at his home in a run-down tenement on the east side of Karachi, though he said he did not know where his son had gone after leaving home three weeks before. The gaps and discrepancies in the father’s and son’s accounts seemed to indicate that neither was telling the full story.

    When told why his son was in jail in Kabul, the father grew angry, but showed no surprise. “How can one feel when someone leaves the house without caring for his children — he has two small children,” he said, a boy of 4 and a girl of 2.

    “We got tired of talking to him; you could not talk to him,” the father said. “Such a disobedient child, who does not care about anyone, who does not look after his parents, should go to hell.”

    Mr. Shah’s teacher at the local mosque also contradicted Mr. Shah’s account.

    Maulavi Khairpuri, interviewed at his home next to the Noor mosque, denied being a member of the banned Harkat-ul-Mujahedeen, as Mr. Shah had said. But he did acknowledge being the local secretary of a pro-Taliban party, Jamiat-ul-Ulama-i-Islam.

    The maulavi said he had no idea that Mr. Shah had gone to Afghanistan. He denied sending Mr. Shah on the suicide mission. “He was not brave enough to do that,” he said dismissively.

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    Inevitable.

    Dr Aamer Liaquat Hussain, Pakistan’s Minister of State for religious affairs :

    “We have drafted the fatwa in the manner that it condemns suicide bombings in Pakistan and not anywhere else,”

    Link : Fatwa forbidding suicide attacks tomorrow: minister
    Hafiz Hussain Ahmad, Deputy Parliamentary Leader of the MMA in Pakistan’s National Assembly :

    "Suicide bombings entirely depends on the intent of its perpetrators. Committing suicide is forbidden in Islam. But the rule does not prevent a Muslim from killing a non-Muslim who wants to hurt either Muslims or their faith",

    Link : MMA contests suicide-bombing edict

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    It might sound inhuman... but the only way to bring some sense to **** ruler is to hit them hard... I wonder why karzia government is not using Pakistanis tactic…why there is no suicide bombing in Karachi, Islamabad and Lahore carried by Afghanistan? Why Pashtonistan liberation army has not be reestablished? Afghanistan has natural lean on Pakistan… there 16 million pashtons and 2-4 million Baloch who are the same blood as Afghans… in addition there are 1 million afghan refugees… these all people can be used more effectively against Pakistan.

    It is time we afghans ask for assistance from Israel and India...it will be much prudent for India to fight Pakistan on her own soil other then fighting them in Kashmir.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azmal View Post
    It might sound inhuman... but the only way to bring some sense to **** ruler is to hit them hard...
    That's the Afghan spirit right? Barbarianism is still comon in that country.
    I wonder why karzia government is not using Pakistanis tactic…why there is no suicide bombing in Karachi, Islamabad and Lahore carried by Afghanistan? Why Pashtonistan liberation army has not be reestablished? Afghanistan has natural lean on Pakistan… there 16 million pashtons and 2-4 million Baloch who are the same blood as Afghans…
    That is because he's a US puppet, only in power as long as US and Nato is in Afghanistan.
    Your country is far from united, a sunbject to ethinic violance.
    Don't blame other for your own failures and misery.
    in addition there are 1 million afghan refugees… these all people can be used more effectively against Pakistan.
    We fed over 3.5 million of these parasites on our soil, more than a million are still reside within the refugee camps but many have moved to major cities and become a plague which we're fighting effectively by registering them and providing a temp. id card.
    They'll leave Pakistan within three years.
    It is time we afghans ask for assistance from Israel and India...it will be much prudent for India to fight Pakistan on her own soil other then fighting them in Kashmir.
    It's time for ignorant Afghans to realise who India supported in 1979...

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    Neo, your tone is no less racist. You've generalized all Afghans as "barbarians", "ignorant" and "parasites" while trying to claim the moral high ground. That doesn't make you very 'civilized' or if I were you, I'ld rather refer to your people rather than just you. Get the pitch?

    And .. if Karzai is a puppet is dear old Mushie any different? Atleast Karzai was elected.. bah!

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    I'm sorry if I upset you, but I'm simply replying the guy in his own style.
    Just check a few of his other anti Pakistan posts he made today encouraging bomb attacks in major Pakistani cities.

    I don't sympethise with terrorists.
    Last edited by Neo; 15 Nov 06, at 18:48.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo View Post
    I'm sorry if I upset you, but I'm simply replying the guy in his own style.
    Just check a few of his other anto Pakistan posts he made today encouraging bomb attacks in major Pakistani cities.

    I don't sympethise with terrorists.
    Yep, and that leaves no difference between the two, while there is one crucial difference .... he's a new guy, just 4 posts. Give him time, I remember being especially 'crude' when I first showed up.

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    I've developped a thick skin here at WAB but also found that there's nothing wrong being adaptive to the environment.

    Being a nice guy all the time just gets boring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azmal View Post
    It might sound inhuman...
    How about this?
    http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/sho...497#post295497

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo View Post
    That's the Afghan spirit right? Barbarianism is still comon in that country.
    This coming from a ****? the one bend to use terrorism, barbarism and massacre as the only means to her strategic depth object! Pufff... too much daal has override you head.



    That is because he's a US puppet, only in power as long as US and Nato is in Afghanistan.
    Your country is far from united, a sunbject to ethinic violance.
    Don't blame other for your own failures and misery.
    More then 10 million afghans man, women young and old standing in line for hours... in cold and harsh afghan winter and even defying the Pakistani talibans manipulation and death treat and selected karzia as present. You as a Pakistan... who's country was establish Angraaz and who is ruled in most of her sorry existence by dictator puppet of US or Angreez are out of your mind to point fingers.

    We fed over 3.5 million of these parasites on our soil, more than a million are still reside within the refugee camps but many have moved to major cities and become a plague which we're fighting effectively by registering them and providing a temp. id card.
    They'll leave Pakistan within three years.

    Legally after 1993 these people are not refugees... they are more internal displaced people! Indeed, this is what you get when you have a wet dream of strategic depth... you can not have your cake and eat it too.



    It's time for ignorant Afghans to realise who India supported in 1979...
    Nationals don't have permanent enemies or permanent friends... national only have interest... and the national interest of Afghanistan requires and the international politics requires for a alliances between US-India and Afghanistan.

    How could we also forget that the strategic goal of Pakistan, is of having a puppet government in place in Kabul and a fragile economy, kept Afghanistan dependent on Pakistan both economically and politically.

    no way we will forget how you backstabbing people try to smash our face in dirty when we were vulnerable after soviet defeat….using Islam as a tool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by srirangan View Post
    Neo, your tone is no less racist. You've generalized all Afghans as "barbarians", "ignorant" and "parasites" while trying to claim the moral high ground. That doesn't make you very 'civilized' or if I were you, I'ld rather refer to your people rather than just you. Get the pitch?

    And .. if Karzai is a puppet is dear old Mushie any different? Atleast Karzai was elected.. bah!
    Lack of national identity and racial, cultural inferiority complex really explains his view as Pakistan regarding Afghanistan.
    You see the creation of Pakistan has a country in itself is rooted in controversy… even if we accept that a individual's religious affinity bypass his or her political and economic inspirations (separation of Panjab and Sind from India) there is NO rational in division of Pashtons and Balochs from Afghanistan!
    This lack of identity is the main reason why Pakistan's military elites want to pursue the strategic goal of Pakistan, which consisted of having a puppet government in place in Kabul and a fragile economy, kept Afghanistan dependent on Pakistan both economically and politically. This is because, Pakistan has always viewed an economically prosperous and militarily strong Afghanistan as a threat to its existence; Pakistan's military has always feared that a strong Afghanistan would dispute the current border between the two countries. In addition, an economically prosperous Afghanistan would become more attractive to Pashtuns and Balochis who live in Pakistan, which is the result of their cultural affinity with the Afghans. Therefore, according to Pakistan's military leaders, a powerful government in Afghanistan would pose an existential threat to Pakistan. For this purpose Pakistan's puppet Taliban regime closed schools, universities, and public offices in Afghanistan, in an effort to keep future generations in total ignorance and darkness. This is exactly why only religion parties are allowed in so called FATA.. this is exactly why pasthons kids are being brainwashed into Taliban in these Madrassa. Even since the arrival of coalition forces in Afghanistan, schools have been torched, economic development has been stalled, foreign experts have been beheaded, suicide bombers have flooded in from Pakistani madrassas, and Taliban and al-Qaeda allies have found a safe haven inside Pakistan.

    Then comes to the deeper reason ***** are interfering in Afghanistan: a psychological need to dominate that is generated from within their deep-seated feelings of racial inferiority in comparison to Afghans.
    Where does this come from? One would have to read the hundreds of years of history of the region to truly comprehend. But . . . there is no question that ***** today are overcompensating for their feelings of inferiority.
    In pursuit of this psychic reward that they feel they are receiving today for making Afghans miserable, they have set aside almost all Islamic values of neighborliness and peace and sanity.
    If they had a shred of Islamic values left in them to help guide their actions they would not be behaving like the backstabing khar ku*sses that they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo View Post
    These are all product of Pakistanis culture influences on afghan refugees... before soviet invasion afghans were known world wide as honest, brave, noble, one who will stand by his words, women used to wear mini-skirts and barqa…free to choice, and look what have come of afghans now after Pakistanis culture influences? Taliban!
    Being brainwashed into Pakistanyat in Pakistani madrassa had it’s tool on our people… I will not be surprise if these Pakistani brainwashed afghans in Jirga would order gang rape as punishment... in true Pakistani fashion. Or if there will be official brothels like the one in land of pure… Lahore culturally capital of Pakistan---hera mandia!


    http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/a...ice/index.html

    http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...pe+in+pakistan


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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo View Post
    It's time for ignorant Afghans to realise who India supported in 1979...
    errm.... India was not supporting the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan if thats what you are trying to say... We were/are the leaders of NAM...

    and the Soviet invasion brought more harm to India then good...
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    Oh come on man, I'm laughing my ass off!
    Go easy on drugs dude...even if you're getting discount on your top export product!

    You're a troll, I'm done feeding you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo View Post
    Oh come on man, I'm laughing my ass off!
    Go easy on drugs dude...even if you're getting discount on your top export product!

    You're a troll, I'm done feeding you.
    so now, you've picked up on weasling your way out??? go ahead, give me some solid links or evidence which shows India backing Soviet invasion...

    btw, a troll is one who makes arguments he can't prove and constantly does so, right now, you fit that description of a troll far more accurately then me...
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