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**Trooth** · 30 May 04,, 01:10

Everyone knows i am not qualified to comment on this thread. So for most of you it will come as no surprise that i am going to anyway.

My experience of those discussion boards given over to one flavour or persuasion is that they exist largely to gratify the egos of those who take part, or to further their cause by converting those innocents who they snare.

Therefore you won't convert them.

**Hawk_eye** · 30 May 04,, 01:18

Originally Posted by Trooth

Everyone knows i am not qualified to comment on this thread. So for most of you it will come as no surprise that i am going to anyway.

My experience of those discussion boards given over to one flavour or persuasion is that they exist largely to gratify the egos of those who take part, or to further their cause by converting those innocents who they snare.

Therefore you won't convert them.

This means somthing i am sure of it... Are you sure you dont work for pysch ops or somthing?

**Trooth** · 30 May 04,, 01:27

Originally Posted by Hawk_eye

This means somthing i am sure of it... Are you sure you dont work for pysch ops or somthing?

You comments have been noted. You wil be informed ....

**Ray** · 30 May 04,, 05:21

There seems to be some confusion that has crept up ever since 9/11.

The educated and more rational Moslems are claiming that the fundamentalist dunderheads who are running wild are 'Non Moslems' claiming to be Moslem. Who is the correct authority/ seat of Islam to declare such wild ones as non Moslem and instead are masqueraders?

No fatwa from the Imams etc has been issued against these fundamentalists as far as I know. In fact, if the Islamic religious heads condemn these wild folks, it will end all this raging debate. Just one fatwa and everything will be back to normal.

Instead of condeming such silly fundamentalists, quite a few Imams are brazenly applauding these odd fishes. The latest being that Imam or whatever booked in Britain and maybe to be extradicted to the US.

I also feel that the media is giving too much of credence to the frothing at the mouth of these fiery Imams, which is leading to even more bad blood. I think such chaps should be totally ignored.

**Leader** · 30 May 04,, 05:47

Originally Posted by Ray

There seems to be some confusion that has crept up ever since 9/11.

The educated and more rational Moslems are claiming that the fundamentalist dunderheads who are running wild are 'Non Moslems' claiming to be Moslem. Who is the correct authority/ seat of Islam to declare such wild ones as non Moslem and instead are masqueraders?

No fatwa from the Imams etc has been issued against these fundamentalists as far as I know. In fact, if the Islamic religious heads condemn these wild folks, it will end all this raging debate. Just one fatwa and everything will be back to normal.

Instead of condeming such silly fundamentalists, quite a few Imams are brazenly applauding these odd fishes. The latest being that Imam or whatever booked in Britain and maybe to be extradicted to the US.

I also feel that the media is giving too much of credence to the frothing at the mouth of these fiery Imams, which is leading to even more bad blood. I think such chaps should be totally ignored.

I'd rather hear what the enemy has to say.

**Hawk_eye** · 30 May 04,, 06:14

Originally Posted by Ray

There seems to be some confusion that has crept up ever since 9/11.

The educated and more rational Moslems are claiming that the fundamentalist dunderheads who are running wild are 'Non Moslems' claiming to be Moslem. Who is the correct authority/ seat of Islam to declare such wild ones as non Moslem and instead are masqueraders?

No fatwa from the Imams etc has been issued against these fundamentalists as far as I know. In fact, if the Islamic religious heads condemn these wild folks, it will end all this raging debate. Just one fatwa and everything will be back to normal.

Instead of condeming such silly fundamentalists, quite a few Imams are brazenly applauding these odd fishes. The latest being that Imam or whatever booked in Britain and maybe to be extradicted to the US.

I also feel that the media is giving too much of credence to the frothing at the mouth of these fiery Imams, which is leading to even more bad blood. I think such chaps should be totally ignored.

But is isnt that simple, Abu hamza was a nut case he openly stood outside his mosque and told muslims that jihad was good, nowadays even if you say such stuff in Pakistan you are likely to get the attention of a few agencies.

Secondly, The intelligence services wanted him out but were using him, to get information on the more low profile extremists operating in europe. Thridly, most msulims aggree that jihad is wrong and it should be stopped no matter what,... Enough is enough!

**Ray** · 30 May 04,, 20:03

If Salman Rushdie was issued a fatwa, which was acknowledge by all Moslems, then why not issue a fatwa and be done with this madness that is dividing the world and creating total chaos.

The terrorist attack in Saudi Arabia will ensure that oil production dips. It will put the world economy is a tailspin. That's fine as far as the terrorists and their masters are concerned, but it will affect everyone in the world, including the Moslems. Some religious head amongst the Moslem has to take the bull by the horn.

If one is practical, it is a dream well nigh impossible that everyone will convert to Islam or that Moslems will rule the world. Therefore, isnt it time to call quits? If not, what is the greviance(s) that requires to be addressed so that madcaps are brought to heel?

Yopu claim that most Moslems feel jihad is wrong. That's your word against what we are observing wherein the terrorists are running amok with their jihad. If Most Moslems feel that this jihad is wrong, then what are they doing about it? Mute spectators?

I am not aware of the Islamic media around the world, but are they doing something to build up a groundswell against the fundamentalists? If they are, then why are most Moslems (as you claim) not carrying out a jihad against these terrorists, especially as you say most Moslems are against it? I find it logically difficult to accept your statement at face value.

Yet, on this issue, I am more than willingly to be educated by you.

**Confed999** · 30 May 04,, 23:00

Originally Posted by Ray

If Salman Rushdie was issued a fatwa, which was acknowledge by all Moslems, then why not issue a fatwa and be done with this madness that is dividing the world and creating total chaos.

Good point...

**~~Mr_Hitler~~** · 07 Sep 04,, 11:20

Originally Posted by Diving Falcon

Islam was a great religion, it was ahead in all, but due to recent circustances of Fundamentalists, Extremists, Idiots, and other Non-Muslims who claim to be Muslims degraded Islam to it's lowest level.

You're right, I agree. I also think Islam is like a slow moving Chengdu fighter-plane, painted green all over

Falcon.......guess who this is ha ha ha!

**visioninthedark** · 07 Sep 04,, 16:20

Originally Posted by Mr_Hitler

You're right, I agree. I also think Islam is like a slow moving Chengdu fighter-plane, painted green all over

Falcon.......guess who this is ha ha ha!

trolling ....

**Lobogris** · 16 Sep 04,, 05:28

If it happens in Pakistan, it is so terrible and theses "Arabs" are evil. When they are sent to kill civilians and soldiers in India, they are freedom fighters. These "Arabs" are brethren when they help you create the Taliban and attack infidels. Hypocricy. Ofcourse, I am against any loss of human life but please, condemn it on both sides. Don't shelter these people in the first place. Why is Pakistan so concerned about people in Kashmir? Just because they are muslims? They are not Pakistanis. Why don't you first abate the sufferings of your own fellow countrymen(also muslims) rather than try and fight India knowing well you can never win.

**tarek** · 16 Sep 04,, 06:50

Aryan

Bravo!

Truth is too bitter for some, but so what if it's bitter, perhaps it can help sleepwalkers awaken and make distinctions between islam the religion, arabian and Pakistani culture, between divine and temporal - I see more and more people with the ideas and insight you express, the Mullah and his enabler's days are numbered

**Asim Aquil** · 16 Sep 04,, 06:59

If Salman Rushdie was issued a fatwa, which was acknowledge by all Moslems, then why not issue a fatwa and be done with this madness that is dividing the world and creating total chaos.

err because nobody gives a shit about fatwas? Dude your knowledge about Islam is pretty weird. Too many assumptions.

If it happens in Pakistan, it is so terrible and theses "Arabs" are evil. When they are sent to kill civilians and soldiers in India, they are freedom fighters. These "Arabs" are brethren when they help you create the Taliban and attack infidels. Hypocricy. Ofcourse, I am against any loss of human life but please, condemn it on both sides. Don't shelter these people in the first place. Why is Pakistan so concerned about people in Kashmir? Just because they are muslims? They are not Pakistanis. Why don't you first abate the sufferings of your own fellow countrymen(also muslims) rather than try and fight India knowing well you can never win.

I'm against militancy in Kashmir. But not against their right to become FREE. The conflict on Kashmir has a lot of claims. Pakistan has claimed the land for itself. Pakistan has claimed the land to become free. Kashmir holds a strategic value, and Pakistan would prefer a friendly rule over Kashmir rather than an Indian rule. Close ethnic, not religious, ties between Pakistanis and Kashmiris, bring about a cause to repeatedly raise our voice, over the human rights violations in Kashmir - Just as we raise our voices for the human right violations within Pakistan. Pakistan has a very sizable Kashmiri population, these Kashmiris are big business men, and hold strategic positions within Pakistan and can influence foreign policy.

**Asim Aquil** · 16 Sep 04,, 07:01

Originally Posted by Mr_Hitler

You're right, I agree. I also think Islam is like a slow moving Chengdu fighter-plane, painted green all over

Ya? I though Islam was spread by the sword? Well at least you've upgraded it to a jet fighter :D.

**Ray** · 16 Sep 04,, 09:12

Asim,

I can't take your word as correct that none care for the 'fatwa'.

Rushdie and Taslimasomething of Bangladesh have police protection as if they are Fort Knox. If none cared, then why this waste of the police force?